the final result of NEO Spring Compo 2007!

[d-loader]

If HtheB's changes to BeUP were enough to make it a valid entry, then he deserves the credit for his work.

That is a good point. The app qualified as an entry. If its true, that dr. neo said go for it, then HtheB should be given the prize. If its really fair or not, is something HtheB and KevinC should work out together, thats none of the voters buisness IMO

[Payk]

I voted for your game  Grin
You've a big crew to make it game! Good job! Congratulation!
When will we have a new version with a market, quests and others ennemies as Diablo or Baldur's Gate?

Well I will start implementing squirrel (its like Lua) soon. While doing that i am pretty sure some new models will be made. Before i start with quests i wll play with wifi mode and stuff and maybe you will see a Phantasy Star Online like game "soon"
Ahh and it should be totally playable just using touchscreen (a bit like zelda ds)
Thanx for voting and for the nice comments.

[Tassu]

That is a good point. The app qualified as an entry. If its true, that dr. neo said go for it, then HtheB should be given the prize.

Even if the app qualifies as an entry, I think the judges should give more value to original work that has not won any compo yet. If they would have considered this in their judgement, I don't think Beup would have won. Or should an update be judged the same way as something new? I think not.

Take Beup, remove everything except whats different since last compo and judge what you have left.

If its really fair or not, is something HtheB and KevinC should work out together, thats none of the voters buisness IMO

It's not so unfair towards KevinC because HtheB has he's permission. It's unfair towars other contestants who most likely all worked harder than HtheB.

But I guess discussing this is pointless now and I don't want to sound like a sore loser. I came second and thats pretty good position

[edit] Don't get me wrong. I don't think HtheB did anything wrong. He didn't break any rules so don't be angry at him!

[d-loader]

Take Beup, remove everything except whats different since last compo and judge what you have left.

Thats an interesting point, never thought of that. However, thats what the neo-judges are like, they look at the project as a whole

[MrShlee]

Please give HtheB 1st prise, or you'll loose one future contestant 
me...

you make games with **** hentei fetish porn in them.. big loss :|

[jester]

Make this the last compo that Beup can be entered in RED CARD

Thats my plan to stop this madness i think that is fair.

[Dr.neo]

i thought maybe we should hold  HtheB's proze and waiting for KevinC's response, to see what's the KevinC opinion about this case? He have the complete promise to HtheB or not?   

[BB]

i love these pinguins
but thats not why i post...
I've been following Beup since KevinC had it, i made Swedish translation and stuff, the keyboard didnt work though, no support for unicode in it..

HtheB has done much more than just adding DLDI or changed server IP...
He turned Beup into Beup Live!
have you seen the original Beup 0.3 Final?
try that against Beup Live! 0.3d and compare, see any differences?
you'd be blind if you didnt, but its not like KevinC did some easy, "change theese .bmps and the look will change" thing.. no, HtheB recoded alot of stuff, atleast i belive so, or else he himself wouldnt even consider submitting it to the compo, I voted for Beup, and my Vote still stands, changing results afterwards becouse of some b*tching from ppl is not cool, not cool at all...
and I will prolly enter future comps here at Neoflash, but if i use PAlib, will i get kicked out?

I hope not....
Please give HtheB 1st prise, or you'll loose one future contestant 
me...

you're right

[lobo]

i thought maybe we should hold  HtheB's proze and waiting for KevinC's response, to see what's the KevinC opinion about this case? He have the complete promise to HtheB or not?   

Seems like KevinC is not really around so you might wait quite a long time for that. How about you (neoflash ppl) judge about the case as you are the ones who made the rules in the first place and base your final decision on what you (again) think is right or wrong in this case and..umm..eventually right those wrongs?
So far you've heard both sides in this case, pro and against so make your decision about what you think is right.

And ye..justice is a byatch to serve but someone's gotta do it.

[LiraNuna]

Judges made their decision, and final results were posted. NeoFlash accepted the entries and should've "disqualify" them BEFORE making the final results available.

NeoFlash should keep their word and send prizes unless something else is on the subject (like retirement).

Final results are FINAL.

[Lick]

I think the "Final" applies only to the judgment of the software, but it does not mean that if something as important as fraud is discovered, changes can't be made.

A contest is supposed to be entered with one's own work, I don't think there's any need for me to explain why. NeoFlash still keeps their word -- to all other entrants. To the disqualified parties, they might find it unfair, but they did not play fair to begin with.

[LiraNuna]

"fraud" !?

HtheB has _contacted_ Dr. Neo before he submitted his entry, with details of what it is. Dr.Neo has ACCEPTED the entry and KNEW about it BEFORE the compo has ended, before the judging were made, and BEFORE the submission was made.

Lick, only one who can comment on this situation is kevinC, if you are his lawyer, do yourself a favor and tell him to speak.

What I see is jealousy, hate and fake drama.

[Lick]

Liranuna: yes, kevinc will be the one who decides this, but if he doesn't respond, an alternative would be comparing the sources.
Also, HtheB lied about the M3Simply review and in this contest did not clearly state to the public that the majority of Beup is coded by KevinC. That's at least deception. Dr Neo might have misplaced his trust. I'm just giving Dr Neo a broader view on this.

About jealousy, I already commented on that in the other topic. I only ruin my own status by trying to point out this matter, I don't get any benefit from this. I don't even have any grudge against HtheB except for this situation. So no, it's not jealousy. I just think the prize should be given to someone who earned it.

[Payk]

Ok, I really tried to let my fingers from it. Because I never tested Beup 0.2 i really can't tell how much was done by HtheB.

Just some things:
Liran>> Wasn't it you who cried that he was called "dramaqueen" and wanted to leave scene because of that? THEN DON'T ARGUMENT LIKE THEM, YOU AREN'T BETTER!

To the 'final' thing. One year ago I made place 12 or stuff. But they saw the the other Tetris clone was techniqually not better and the votes were faked. So After the Final results it was changed and i got the 6th place. I was totally happy and thankfull about it.

So how could it be bad if Tassu would have same feeling like I had? He would deserve it. Doesn't matter how many changes HtheB made, Tassu coded it all on his own.

So for coding Tassu is the real winner of this compo. Doesn't matter which result is final.
And for making the most usefull app possible, HtheB is the winner.

I didn't said my opinion before because doesn't matter what I would say, I would hurt Tassu or HtheB which are both nice persons. And I still don't want to hurt anyone of them.

[LiraNuna]

THEN DON'T ARGUMENT LIKE THEM, YOU AREN'T BETTER!

I'm trying to stop it now before it gets more serious.

Wasn't it you who cried that he was called "dramaqueen" and wanted to leave scene because of that?

Payk, don't get me started. You know NOTHING about why I 'left'. Toss that away.