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OlliPolli's review of the NDS-APP-section
« on: April 05, 2009, 03:47:19 PM »
Hello!

Here is my review for the NDS-APP section, also just-in-time, but actually it is before midnight in my own timezone. I am participating in this section too with my program DSwiki, but I will review it along with the other programs. And yes, I'll include it in the final ranking. I know all the discussion about other people doing so, but I hope to dissipate all doubts with a detailed explanation for my decisions.

I am open for constructive criticism, I may adjust the points for my own program (even taking it out of the list), if some people have good reasons for me to do so, but I will not adjust the other scores. I don't want to insult anybody, so I am sorry if my review hurts anybodys feelings, but again, I'll explain all my given points in detail.


My review will have the following point-scheme:

Pros/Cons/Personal Notes [-4...+4]  ( 20%)
Graphics                 [-3...+3]  ( 15%)
Sound                    [-3...+3]  ( 15%)
Idea/Innovation          [-4...+4]  ( 20%)
Usability                [-4...+4]  ( 20%)
Motion support           [-1 / +1]  (  5%)
Original entry           [-1 / +1]  (  5%)
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Total                   [-20...+20] (100%)


I also could have made the points going from 0 to 40, but I like the idea of a "neutral" value 0, and taking positive and negative aspects into account (but mathematically equivalent to the normal scheme).



Ace Attorney DS by B12Core

Pros/Cons/Personal Notes [ 0]
I think I am going to like this program, if I dive deeper into it's many configuration options. But the program did not start on my card. I found the solution to this problem in the thread, but it was submitted after the deadline. The solution is not that hard, so I think it is fair to penalize this with a neutral score in this section.

Graphics                 [+2]
It is hard to judge the graphics in an objective way. The graphics are not original, they are just copied from the original game. But the effort to implement all the look-and-feel was good.

Sound                    [+2]
The sound is OK, but the beeps that go along with the text are a bit distracting, because they are some kind of random. The original game featured a much more synchronous and pleasant sound.

Idea/Innovation          [+4]
Very good idea, implementing a real authoring system is an enormous task. Respect!

Usability                [+2]
It's hard to fiddle with all these text files, and the interface is well copied, but sometimes it lacks some comfort you have intuitively expected.

Motion support           [+1]

Original entry           [+1]

Total                   [+12]



Ands-pdf by albinofrenchy

Pros/Cons/Personal Notes [+4]
What can I say, as a programmer, I have the deepest respect for this archievement! This is very impressive, everybody always hoped for a PDF viewer on the DS, now there is one that renders common text documents, and all people are just complaining. About the interface, about the speed, about not rendering 17MB documents with images, ... I think this app has more potential than most other, it definitely needs much tuning in the future, but it already has improved a lot from the first public release. It is a port of mupdf, but I think porting anything to the DS must be honored. Taking a deep bow to this!

Graphics                 [+2]
The rendering of the documents I tested looks VERY good. The interface is simple, but OK for the moment.

Sound                    [ 0]
Has none, but there is no need for it.

Idea/Innovation          [+4]
Like I said above, I really like the idea. And it IS innovative to the DS world.

Usability                [+3]
It is slow, that's correct, but it is getting faster. The interface lets you navigate the document in an intuitive way, and it has key strokes for most navigation tasks. So not the full points, but nearly.

Motion support           [-1]
Would be nice in a future release to take the orientation of the DS into account.

Original entry           [+1]

Total                   [+13]



DSBash by leinad

Pros/Cons/Personal Notes [ 0]
I'm neutral towards this program. Not that I would use it, but I think it is OK for those that seek a little distraction.

Graphics                 [ 0]
Not that great, but adequate for a simple text viewer. I don't like the fonts from the PAlib-examples that much, but they are at least proportional and easy to read. Maybe some topic-related highlighting would be nice.

Sound                    [+2]
MP3 support is a good idea, and with the volume control, everybody can decide if sound distracts him from reading. I don't know if that is necessary.

Idea/Innovation          [+1]
It's OK, a nice feature is caching the files to the DS for offline usage. The idea itself is not revolutionary.

Usability                [-1]
I miss a button for going back to the last quote (for whatever reason, personally, I'm flying fast from text to text, deciding fast if I want to read on, but sometimes I skipped an potential interesting read). I'm not that deep into those websites, so I don't know what type of navigation would be best. Scrolling is too slow.

Motion support           [-1]

Original entry           [-1]

Total                    [ 0]



DSision2 by spinal

Pros/Cons/Personal Notes [-3]
I am no fan of new menus for the DS. I'm just using any menu to start my programs, I don't have to like them or spend much time in them. I like the ones that came along with my cards. But this one even contained a bad surprise too, it activated my original Rumble Pack in Slot-2 to rumble without break on the highest speed. And looking into subfolders was impossible too.

Graphics                 [+3]
It looks fabolous, alpha blending of icons, different skins (I really like the Layton-skin). I may even forgive some glitches with the icons, disappearing and coming back sometimes.

Sound                    [ 0]
Has none, but there is no need for it.

Idea/Innovation          [-2]
Nothing that innovative, every card already has one menu.

Usability                [+2]
Quite OK.

Motion support           [-1]

Original entry           [+1]

Total                    [ 0]



DSwiki by ollipolli

Pros/Cons/Personal Notes [+3]
My own program that I have worked on a lot in the last time. It is a very good companion if I'm not at home, just to look up something quickly in the Wikipedia. I find it useful and I think it has potential in the future, anybody can implement his own encyclopedia. It is open source, a big plus in my opinion, anybody can see how I implemented this or that. It has some bugs when dealing with user generated content, there are just so many possible cases that are hard to detect. Thats why I'll give not the full points in this category.

Graphics                 [+1]
It has no 'real' graphics, but painting all dialogs is OK. The icons are taken from another project, but I think the best graphical feature is the clean looking font and the rich typography in this release.

Sound                    [ 0]
Has none, but there is no need for it.

Idea/Innovation          [+4]
I think the possibility to offline-access the whole(!) Wikipedia on the DS was quite a big step, and releasing the indexer gave anybody the chance to prepare his favourite wiki, even if this dump did not exist before that.

Usability                [+4]
I tried hard to make the wikipedia as accessible as possible on that small device, most navgational tasks should be possible to perform by both stylus and keypad control. The table of contents makes locating a certain information as fast as a blink of the eye.

Motion support           [-1]
None, but rotating the display according to the orientation of the DS is a feature I have planned for the future.

Original entry           [+1]

Total                   [+12]



Health Monitoring Tool Kit by arrpirate

Pros/Cons/Personal Notes [-1]
I am no diabetic, so it is a little hard to judge this program. But I tried most of the things, and I think it may have potential as a good helper, but not in this version. I don't know if the sugar-level or whatever-this-was-called is a real help. Seemed to me that this was just a nested if-clause. If there is a minimum and a maximum value for all of the four segments of the day with no other conditions, then there would be only eight(?) values to remember. If you have diabetes, I think you know these values after one week. In future versions, a visualization of values over a longer period would be nice and a better use of the DS's graphics abilities.

Graphics                 [ 0]
OK. I don't understand those bars, but anyway...

Sound                    [ 0]
Has none, but there is no need for it.

Idea/Innovation          [+1]
Good idea for those people who need it. I think that most people have specialized medical devices for monitoring something that important, but it is always good to have alternatives.

Usability                [-3]
The program is hardly usable, no fast navigation through the menus, the number-keypad has keys with no use and you can't abort the input easily. I give additional minus points, because the program needs to be started from a certain location, I don't like programs that conflict with my folder hierarchy.

Motion support           [-1]

Original entry           [+1]

Total                    [-3]



HWOS2 by funkystuff

Pros/Cons/Personal Notes [-3]
Most things I said about DSision2 hold for this program as well. But some additional remarks: This program wants to dictate a folder structure to me, a big sin in my eyes. I am the master of my folders, no program. It even moved on an online-update. I was not able to start the wiki-viewer, the part that raised my interest the most.

Graphics                 [+3]
Near perfect, has commercial quality.

Sound                    [+1]
Nice sound effects and background music, not necessary, but they fit perfectly to this application.

Idea/Innovation          [ 0]
A menu is not that big innovation, but some other ideas like the RSS reader or the homebrew database make up a neutral score in this section.

Usability                [+2]
The usability is good, you always have the impression of a lightspeed-fast reacting application. It has a lot of options when inside a module, but the icons are too small, my touchscreen is some way off from being well calibrated, and calibration is not better possible.

Motion support           [-1]

Original entry           [+1]

Total                    [+3]



Mario Paint Composer DS Paratroopa Release by bassacegold

Pros/Cons/Personal Notes [+1]
It's fun using this, I see the potential when loading a prepared song. But if I am doing my own song, I always end up by placing random icons on random places and listening to the mess I created ;-). So personally, I can only give one positive point.

Graphics                 [+2]
Looking good, consistent feeling of a well designed application. It's using sprites that came from a different program, the same reason as with Ace Attorney above that I'll not give all the possible points.

Sound                    [+3]
A sound application that makes no big mistakes should get all the points in this category. And this application did not make any mistakes.

Idea/Innovation          [+1]
Good idea, no real innovation at all, but a nice distraction.

Usability                [+3]
The interface is clear, self-explanatory, and placing the notes is possible without problems. Even the problem with the small icons is solved in a clever way.

Motion support           [-1]

Original entry           [+1]

Total                   [+10]



myPiano by BranMuffin

Pros/Cons/Personal Notes [-4]
This application crashed on every card I tried it. I always failed to load the sounds it needs. So I cannot judge it.

Graphics                 [+1]
The keyboard showed up before the crash, and it looked clean and nice.

Sound                    [-3]
Not possible to judge.

Idea/Innovation          [-3]
Not possible to judge.

Usability                [-4]
Not possible to judge.

Motion support           [+1]

Original entry           [+1]

Total                   [-11]



SutraDS by Cid2Mizard
Pros/Cons/Personal Notes [-3]
This one is very 'hard' (you got the joke? ;-)) to judge. The idea itself is not that bad as I thought at the first moment, but I dislike the program because of its immature appearace. The author said "The kamasutra is not pornography", so I expected an application that worthy of this topic, with some style, artful and pleasant. But the menu was no indic-style menu with pleasing typography but consisted of scary, big letters, drawn with *****es all over. So all style of the original book was blown away (you got the joke again? ;-)) in a moment. The impression of selling cheap *** pictures with such a name continued in the main program as well (the forward/backward arrows are - who would have guessed - *****es). I believe that the slogan "*** sells" was in the designer's mind, but I cannot honor that with more points, sorry.

Graphics                 [-1]
Apart from the menu or the navigation, the general graphics of this program is not that bad. The character animations are short, but it's enough to get the point. I dislike the inconsistency in the visualization (real/animated), the statistics are good to read, but black text on a such a background is not pleasant to read.

Sound                    [ 0]
Has none, but there is no need for it.

Idea/Innovation          [+1]
The idea itself is good, spreading knowledge is always noble.

Usability                [-1]
The program lacks some features I expect from a encyclopedia, like an index. The navigation of a certain position could be better too, you always have to go back to go to another sub-page.

Motion support           [-1]

Original entry           [+1]

Total                    [-4]



Wee Basic by marovada

Pros/Cons/Personal Notes [-3]
I like programming, of course, but I never, really never, would use the DS for that. I think this application is a nice proof-of-concept, but not that useful.

Graphics                 [-1]
Appropriate for such an application, but the font has to be cleaner for an application dealing with text.

Sound                    [ 0]
Has none, but there is no need for it.

Idea/Innovation          [-2]
Hard to say, I'm sure porting some kind of parser/compiler/whatever to the DS is quite hard, but I think the idea of doing so was not good in the first place.

Usability                [-4]
Entering a program with the Palib keyboard is a big pain to me. I hear you all, saying "You are using it too!". That is correct, but you can navigate the index with the keys of the DS, after you have inputted three or four letters. But for longer texts, it's unusable.

Motion support           [+1]

Original entry           [-1]
I'm not quite sure about that, I think the author got something wrong from another person.

Total                   [-10]



Final Ranking:

 1. [+13] Ands-pdf
 2. [+12] Ace Attorney DS
 2. [+12] DSwiki
 4. [+10] Mario Paint Composer DS Paratroopa Release
 5. [ +3] HWOS2
 6. [  0] DSBash
 6. [  0] DSision2
 8. [ -3] Health Monitoring Tool Kit
 9. [ -4] SutraDS
10. [-10] Wee Basic
11. [-11] myPiano




I hope you liked my long and detailed review of the NDS-APP-section, even if you are some of the other authors ;-)

Ciao

Offline leinad

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Re: OlliPolli's review of the NDS-APP-section
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2009, 04:08:34 PM »
Nice review (finally some more organized one with more then just 1~3 sentences about an entry). + some well organized judging-score table~

But you should have not reviewed your own App, there already were some critism about having your own app in your own review :)

@DSBash: Cool, except of Mario Paint composer I seem to be the only one who got  points for sound xD

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Re: OlliPolli's review of the NDS-APP-section
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2009, 04:21:49 PM »
But you should have not reviewed your own App, there already were some critism about having your own app in your own review :)

And I understand that, but I tried to prevent exactly that criticism with the high grade of detail for each of my decisions. I'll keep it in for one day, waiting if there are other opinions towards that, OK?
I think that Dr. neo can wait one more day before sending away the prices in a hurry ;-)

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@DSBash: Cool, except of Mario Paint composer I seem to be the only one who got  points for sound xD

No, AADS and HWOS got some, and myPiano got minus point for crashing ;-)

Ciao

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Re: OlliPolli's review of the NDS-APP-section
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2009, 04:24:41 PM »
This is the most hilarious post ever.  ~sm-43.gif~

Let me step through it and show how awesome this review is!

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Health Monitoring Tool Kit by arrpirate

Well, this part was correct!

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Pros/Cons/Personal Notes [-1]
I am no diabetic, so it is a little hard to judge this program. But I tried most of the things, and I think it may have potential as a good helper, but not in this version. I don't know if the sugar-level or whatever-this-was-called is a real help. Seemed to me that this was just a nested if-clause. If there is a minimum and a maximum value for all of the four segments of the day with no other conditions, then there would be only eight(?) values to remember. If you have diabetes, I think you know these values after one week. In future versions, a visualization of values over a longer period would be nice and a better use of the DS's graphics abilities.

I like how he has no idea what it's like to be a diabetic but he's acting like he's an expert. See, a diabetic does tend to learn the possible ranges of his or her blood sugar. Normal, High-Normal, etc. The thing this program does is make a permanent log of this, which is what doctors tell you to do because blood sugar trends over time is an indicator of a diabetic's health. I especially like how he thinks there's absolutely nothing but if-statements in my program. You know, no computation, despite there being  complex calculations in the diet category. Also, definitely no file interaction. Nope, not at all. Oh, and I especially love how this person apparently only reviewed the diabetic portion of my program, ignoring the two other major functions of this program.

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Graphics                 [ 0]
OK. I don't understand those bars, but anyway...

It's a wallpaper. It's pleasant to look at. The contrast of color with the blank background. It's called 'art'. It's what people with any taste find appealing.


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Sound                    [ 0]
Has none, but there is no need for it.

I'm hearing impaired. I can't hear sound very well. I didn't feel it was important to add a feature I'm unable to test.

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Idea/Innovation          [+1]
Good idea for those people who need it. I think that most people have specialized medical devices for monitoring something that important, but it is always good to have alternatives.

You think wrong. Most people have free monitors they were given at the hospital or they get as a promotion from a company. They're often big to carry around and so many diabetics, such as myself, opt for buying a simpler, cheaper model that doesn't have the features this one does. See, the monitors are often fairly cheap but the strips are expensive. The cheap model has 50 strips for about 20 dollars. The average models have the 50 strips for around 100 dollars. More expensive models exist with even more pricey strips. Note that I have to use four strips a day. The price adds up. Oh, and this program also, you know, does diet and weight monitoring, something no diabetic monitor I know of does.

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Usability                [-3]
The program is hardly usable, no fast navigation through the menus, the number-keypad has keys with no use and you can't abort the input easily. I give additional minus points, because the program needs to be started from a certain location, I don't like programs that conflict with my folder hierarchy.

The program itself doesn't have to be started from a certain location, the folder simply has to exist in a certain location so the data files the program makes can have a place to go. A lot of DS homebrew have requirements like this. Besides, I do not clutter your stick. It's one folder.

Also, the number pad allows you to enter only, gasp, numbers. It doesn't allow for invalid input. It's a feature, not a flaw.

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Motion support           [-1]

Original entry           [+1]

Total                    [-3]


This Review by ollipolli

Idiocy: +4
Ignorance: +3
Lack of Intelligence: +3
Rushed: +4
So Bad It's Funny: +4
Head-shake inducement: +1
Original: +1

Hey, what do you know? A perfect score for this review!

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Re: OlliPolli's review of the NDS-APP-section
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2009, 04:32:34 PM »

Ace Attorney DS by B12Core

Pros/Cons/Personal Notes [ 0]
I think I am going to like this program, if I dive deeper into it's many configuration options. But the program did not start on my card. I found the solution to this problem in the thread, but it was submitted after the deadline. The solution is not that hard, so I think it is fair to penalize this with a neutral score in this section.

Graphics                 [+2]
It is hard to judge the graphics in an objective way. The graphics are not original, they are just copied from the original game. But the effort to implement all the look-and-feel was good.

Sound                    [+2]
The sound is OK, but the beeps that go along with the text are a bit distracting, because they are some kind of random. The original game featured a much more synchronous and pleasant sound.

Idea/Innovation          [+4]
Very good idea, implementing a real authoring system is an enormous task. Respect!

Usability                [+2]
It's hard to fiddle with all these text files, and the interface is well copied, but sometimes it lacks some comfort you have intuitively expected.

Motion support           [+1]

Original entry           [+1]

Total                   [+12]

Hi, just here to say some things about the review. It's very good, thanks for your response (any feedback is always welcome).

If it's possible, I'd ask if the personal notes section be altered? I don't feel like 0% is a very fulfilling score considering I gave the fix to fix the mp3 archive only one day after I released the application. Also for the graphics section, the entire GUI of the application was made by me, I will guarantee you that you will not find those sprites anywhere else.

Thanks for using my application, if you have any other questions/comments feel free to PM me.

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Re: OlliPolli's review of the NDS-APP-section
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2009, 04:58:50 PM »
holy **** an actually good review. fishy how the wiki doesnt work for you and RSS does. Wiki is better functionality and source code. Should work like a charm. Fishy I say!

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Re: OlliPolli's review of the NDS-APP-section
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2009, 05:14:12 PM »
OK, let me answer to your post. Sorry but the quoting thing of this forum is a little big buggy, so I can only include the parts you said, not mine you responded to.

First of all, yes, it is a personal review of a non-expert. But what do you expect? Should I use this program over weeks, or should I just give away points out of pity? I think I found a good way between all the extremes.

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I like how he has no idea what it's like to be a diabetic but he's acting like he's an expert. See, a diabetic does tend to learn the possible ranges of his or her blood sugar. Normal, High-Normal, etc. The thing this program does is make a permanent log of this, which is what doctors tell you to do because blood sugar trends over time is an indicator of a diabetic's health. I especially like how he thinks there's absolutely nothing but if-statements in my program. You know, no computation, despite there being  complex calculations in the diet category. Also, definitely no file interaction. Nope, not at all. Oh, and I especially love how this person apparently only reviewed the diabetic portion of my program, ignoring the two other major functions of this program.

I said "it seemed to me", maybe I would have said different if I read your source code. And yes, I also tried the other categories. Inputting one type of food was slow, but doing this for 30 types of foods has to be real pain. And saving your last weight on FAT or EFS, and outputting the difference is not that big deal. Let me quote your own thread:
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Future plans:

I plan on doing averages, perhaps with charts, for both blood sugar and weight gain/loss so you can see how your health has been over the past week, two weeks, month, three months, six months, and the past year.

I got the impression that all the statistics is not saved in this version, if some things are saved, sorry.

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It's a wallpaper. It's pleasant to look at. The contrast of color with the blank background. It's called 'art'. It's what people with any taste find appealing.

Personal taste. Not more nothing less. If I may recall my pointing scheme, zero points are neutral, not that bad. They did not distract me, I just had some expectation towards those bars in such a program, and this is called 'usability' or 'user experience'.

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I'm hearing impaired. I can't hear sound very well. I didn't feel it was important to add a feature I'm unable to test.

Again, zero points are a neutral value. What did you expect, when I include such a category?

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You think wrong. Most people have free monitors they were given at the hospital or they get as a promotion from a company. They're often big to carry around and so many diabetics, such as myself, opt for buying a simpler, cheaper model that doesn't have the features this one does. See, the monitors are often fairly cheap but the strips are expensive. The cheap model has 50 strips for about 20 dollars. The average models have the 50 strips for around 100 dollars. More expensive models exist with even more pricey strips. Note that I have to use four strips a day. The price adds up. Oh, and this program also, you know, does diet and weight monitoring, something no diabetic monitor I know of does.

OK, but don't compare apples with oranges, I did not speak of a device that measures too. I thought of a device that just holds those numerical values, I know of small blood pressure measuring devices that keep the values of the last month.

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The program itself doesn't have to be started from a certain location, the folder simply has to exist in a certain location so the data files the program makes can have a place to go. A lot of DS homebrew have requirements like this. Besides, I do not clutter your stick. It's one folder.

No, I'm used to homebrew conventions. One folder is absolutely OK, I just hide it with DSOrganize. But another quote from your very own thread:
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Installing:

Simply extract the .zip file and put the HMTK folder into the root of your flash cart. If HMTK.nds is not ran from /HMTK/HMTK.nds then any functions requiring saving or reading from journal entries will not work, though the program should not freeze or crash because of it.
See, you have to run the program from within the folder. No hiding possible, no starting from my normal folder either. What would you have said if I reviewed a program that I did not install correctly and then complain about missing features?

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Also, the number pad allows you to enter only, gasp, numbers. It doesn't allow for invalid input. It's a feature, not a flaw.

But why are the other keys there, if you are using
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a custom keyboard
This is again bad 'usability'. Keys that have no function within their context. Just remove them! It would be totally different if you were showing a complete keyboard with every key active, it would have be perfect clear to me just to use the numbers, but in this case I wondered.

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This Review by ollipolli

Idiocy: +4
Ignorance: +3
Lack of Intelligence: +3
Rushed: +4
So Bad It's Funny: +4
Head-shake inducement: +1
Original: +1

No comment, but if you feel better now, it's OK.

Ciao

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Re: OlliPolli's review of the NDS-APP-section
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2009, 05:20:23 PM »
I love how you were just as snarky back to me and yet you put me down for being such. Lol.

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Offline ollipolli

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Re: OlliPolli's review of the NDS-APP-section
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2009, 05:32:48 PM »
If it's possible, I'd ask if the personal notes section be altered? I don't feel like 0% is a very fulfilling score considering I gave the fix to fix the mp3 archive only one day after I released the application. Also for the graphics section, the entire GUI of the application was made by me, I will guarantee you that you will not find those sprites anywhere else.

I don't think so. Zero points are neutral, and the crash of the entire application did not affect the other scores. All people had to meet the deadline, me too, that's why I released so early, to eliminate the most serious bugs in the final version. I think the score is quite fair, considering the fact that I was not forced to revisit the thread that I read some hours after the deadline. If I had not, I would have judged your application as 'crashing'.
And the graphic issue, I can't give full points for a program that copies that much. The program's graphics is more than the GUI, it's also the characters that tell you how to use it. At least they are not original. Overall, I think the score is OK.

But again, congratulations to your fine work.

Ciao

Offline Haxime

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Re: OlliPolli's review of the NDS-APP-section
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2009, 11:58:04 PM »
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DSision2 by spinal

Pros/Cons/Personal Notes [-3]
I am no fan of new menus for the DS. I'm just using any menu to start my programs, I don't have to like them or spend much time in them. I like the ones that came along with my cards. But this one even contained a bad surprise too, it activated my original Rumble Pack in Slot-2 to rumble without break on the highest speed. And looking into subfolders was impossible too.

Graphics                 [+3]
It looks fabolous, alpha blending of icons, different skins (I really like the Layton-skin). I may even forgive some glitches with the icons, disappearing and coming back sometimes.

Sound                    [ 0]
Has none, but there is no need for it.

Idea/Innovation          [-2]
Nothing that innovative, every card already has one menu.

Usability                [+2]
Quite OK.

Motion support           [-1]

Original entry           [+1]

Total                    [ 0]




You know most flash cart menus are ugly and not skinnable.
I think DSision has a big chance.
It's not cause you don't like new menus others don't.
It is innovative. i mean how many people make a new DS menu???
Well the usability is very good (excepy that you need YSmenu)

i think this should be TOP 3





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TTDS (toptoy DS by neoflash)
R6 Xtreme 64G

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