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Title: HtheB should not win
Post by: Lick on April 11, 2007, 06:47:56 PM
HtheB is absolutely NOT the developer of the application he submitted to NeoCompo07. Beup was originally created by KevinC (akzeac.blogspot.com (http://akzeac.blogspot.com)) and as far as I know, HtheB only did the following:
1) created a skin
2) recompiled with newer libfat for DLDI
3) changed a few connection parameters (IP addresses)

Of course HtheB has obviously made these improvements, however, they are merely 3% of what Beup is built of. Hell, anybody could recompile Beup changing  insignificant bits of information.

I am not trying to bash HtheB. He is a friendly person. But I do not support his indirect thievery. I hope the guys at NeoFlash will consider contacting KevinC and at least further inspect this case. A good start would be comparing the Beup 0.3e code with the Beup 0.3 code.

Like I said, it will probably be 97% the same. If it is, then it should be clear who really created HtheBs entry and who should get the Wii instead of him.
If not, my apologies to HtheB.


- Lick
P.S. See also MrShlees post (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,4082.0.html)
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Lick on April 11, 2007, 07:17:44 PM
Okay, this just does it for me. He asked M3 team to do a review (http://www.area-ds.com/htheb/Reviews/M3Simply/M3Simple.html)  (mirror (http://lickr.org/files/htheb/M3Simple.html)) of their new product, but he does not even have a DS to test the product with.
Either he's an idiot that doesn't know that a real review includes more than unwrapping the product, or he was just doing a false promise in order to get a new homebrew device.

I smell a filthy lying thief.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Sweater Fish Deluxe on April 13, 2007, 03:16:05 AM
Unless you speak for kevinC, it sounds like you're just airing some kind of personal beef with HtheB.  I'm no forum moderator, but I think that in general on any forum, this kind of personal attack is not allowed.  And I know for a fact that in general in everyday life, it's childish and immature.

If you do speak for kevinC, he should come and say these things himself.  I assume he is aware that HtheB's versions of BeUP won the competition.


...word is bondage...
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Lick on April 13, 2007, 03:59:55 PM
Yes, at first I was only angered by his unjustly claiming "developership" of the Beup project, so I posted about it.
But the way he responded simply infuriated me more. I really can't stand people who lie and take advantage of others in order to receive personal benefits.
And if you read my explanation and that of others as well, you will see why I say this. It's just unbearable that as a developer someone else takes your work and shows off with it.
By the way, KevinC has been idle for a few months now. I've tried many ways to contact him but it seems as he hasn't been able to check his mail or PMs.

You should note: before I found out about the NeoCompo and his entering, I had totally no previous issues with HtheB. We even had some Private Messaging on GBAdev going on that can well be considered friendly. It's only after I found out that I kind of have something against him.

Also, the discussion (http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=12794&start=30) is pretty much over as it's clear that HtheB indeed hasn't added much to Beup. At least not enough to claim ownership of the project and enter it in a compo.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: jester on April 13, 2007, 11:42:41 PM
Although i am a friend of HtheB i feel your pain i believe his prize should be revoked and that he is no longer allowed to enter this compo again.

Soz HtheB but he holds a valid point you didnt do alot at all really. :'(
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Sweater Fish Deluxe on April 14, 2007, 04:34:20 AM
I agree that HtheB shouldn't have won the competition, but we can decide whether he deserves his prize or what his relationship to the BeUP project should be without resorting to personal attacks.

As for scamming a free kit from the M3 people, I say congratulations to HtheB for that one.


...word is bondage...
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: jester on April 14, 2007, 04:44:52 AM
hmm well i say ban his from every other neoflash compo left! That would be fair judgement
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: cory1492 on April 14, 2007, 09:03:29 PM
Considering he's not the original author of the program, presents no permission to use the work in any such fashion... and the simple fact
http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,2978.0.html
It was in the last compo anyway... I think it is frigging ridiculous the guy wasn't laughed off the board and kicked from the compo to begin with
 ::sm-02::
I honestly don't think any skin is worth a wii... but I had my chance to have a say and really didn't have time to deal with this compo :-(

Just notice one other change... updating the wifi lib so dslite could use it probably wasn't an overly simple thing.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: d4rkb1t on April 15, 2007, 05:15:19 AM
envy = when one person wins a competition, the feeling that the others have

Nothing else to comment

d4rkb1t

PD: for Lick and the others... why are you talking now? Why did not talk before the results... ummm.. curious... well in any case... I post a definition before that you must read.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Lick on April 15, 2007, 07:12:34 AM
d4rkb1t: You don't seem to be a programmer of any kind (I might be wrong though), so I can understand that you don't understand the hardship one goes through to get working code. Especially when one has to make an entire protocol (MSN) work on a limited device. You seriously have to put a lot of thinking and time into it. And when someone receives benefit off your hard work, you surely will feel screwed ten times over.
I don't think KevinC has any knowledge of this case yet, and I hope he never will because it's so backstabbing.

By the way, I wasn't following the NeoCompo at all until Alfatreze alerted me about the results. So I didn't pick "before" or "after", I just picked "right now".
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: d4rkb1t on April 15, 2007, 07:43:05 AM
When someone (KevinC) give permisson for use the basic code for a other DIFFERENT PROJECT (this is BEUP LIVE, not only BEUP) then it can use all he wants the "hard work".

And no im not a nds coder, but I'm a simply coder and if I give permisson a other people tu use my code, they can use it for whatever they want.

d4rkb1t
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Lick on April 15, 2007, 07:58:47 AM
The problem is, it's the same app! It is the same basic-code, but updated to the newer libs! As a DS developer, I can tell you that it's like picking my nose to do that.
Also, please refer me to the page where kevinc said that. Just in case.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Öhr GmbH on April 15, 2007, 08:48:08 AM
When someone (KevinC) give permisson for use the basic code for a other DIFFERENT PROJECT (this is BEUP LIVE, not only BEUP) then it can use all he wants the "hard work".

And no im not a nds coder, but I'm a simply coder and if I give permisson a other people tu use my code, they can use it for whatever they want.

d4rkb1t
you cant just put a new name over an other product and say its totaly done by me. its like - nintendo and sony. what nintendo creates, sony takes(not everything though, but some of the greatest improvements in gaming history, like the analogstick, the dpad and the rumblefunction). if you were nintendo and sony would do A LOT OF money off your ideas, wouldnt you be angry and sue them? well i would.

and heres the same thing: HtheB took an app(=product) and put a new name on it. And since kevinc was(and still is) off for a long time now we have to look closely, if HtheB deserves a wii(=money).

So heres a list what kevinc did:
- write the MSN protocol
- add some great features like "painting" an message
- lots of other things


And heres what HtheB did:
- add a skin
- update the fat library(DLDI support)
- update server adresses

thats around 3% of the whole code. so he only really deserves 3% of the wii - like a LED of it  ::sm-13.gif::


he definitely doesnt deserve the WII! not a bit. ::sm-16.gif::

he - lets say- "stole" someones work and made money(250$) with it. Im not tolerating thievery!


And heres why no one said anything BEFORE the compo - lots of you didnt know that beup wasn't actually done by htheb. the rest of us thought he wouldnt win (again) and we didnt want to fight with htheb if he wouldnt actually win. well, HE didnt, kevinc won.

@HtheB,
that's really enough. stealing someones work and getting 250$ for it. Buy yourself an C++ book and learn it! youre really an **************************************!


I hope Neo says something to this soon. ::sm-09.gif::
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: mastertop101 on April 15, 2007, 08:53:36 AM
Well, I agree with you, but it's too late, the prize has been sent most definitely and I think (hope) Dr.Neo won't ever accept beup from htheb again
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: d4rkb1t on April 15, 2007, 08:57:36 AM
HtheB, as far as I know, sent an email or contacted with KevinC and ask him to do with his code the Beup Live.

I think that KevinC has the ultimate word, but since now, I believed in HtheB (and i will continue believing with HtheB, he is clever and a good person trust me). I don't know how many code will have got the htheb project like the KevinC project, but for me is a other different Project, and also for 94 persons (apart the most of judges) that voted it. If all of you don't want to see it... sorry.

By the way, there are the results, for the next time look for the "basics" codes application by application and then desqualify them, but in this case, I think that the worst that NeoFlash Team could do is give a other results.

For: Öhr GmbH

Oks, It's true, what nintendo creats, sony takes... but... by the way... what think people about nintendo? Most of people thinks that Nintendo is for "kids" (i don't think it, i think that nintendo is simply the best), luckly with wii it's changin jeje.

But, answering to your post.... Sony had been one of the best since now... so... what is the "winner"... Nintendo who created this cool thinks... or... Sony that do the perfect marketing, modified some thinks (the minimal things) and had been selling it for years?... and.... what has Nintendo done? NOTHING, because we all know that they create this cool things.

Here is the same, ok HtheB modified some things (as my point of view, the enough things for present his project here) but we all now that the basic code was done by KevinC.

By the way remember, KevinC win one day the first prize here in this compo, and he left the project. Now HtheB have won the first prize, and I'm replying other time, as far as I know KevinC gave permisson to HtheB to use his basic-code.

d4rkb1t

PD: Read it with a friendly tone eeeh!! It's only my sincere opinion n.n'.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Öhr GmbH on April 15, 2007, 09:01:48 AM
Well, I agree with you, but it's too late, the prize has been sent most definitely and I think (hope) Dr.Neo won't ever accept beup from htheb again
if so, we should put this on some news sites, so everyone knows what htheb did and who he really is: a dumb cheap bastard!

@d4rkb1t,
i just wrote that nintendo and sony thingy for another example - not go offtopic with that :D
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: cory1492 on April 15, 2007, 09:19:56 AM
d4rkb1t: by your logic, if I take a famous song and change the name, for example "colors" to "colors live", put it onto CD instead of cassette tape, it all of a sudden becomes a different song and everyone should just happily clam up about it.

I could care less who won (though most deserve a congrats/thanks just for entering) as I didn't have the time to be a judge, but I do give a damn that something similar not happen again in the future; besides, as it stands the final judgment isn't open to discussion as it is now after the fact and exactly that, final.

I haven't looked at the Beup source to see if it has any "open"/public domain license or not, kevinc's 0.3b original source link no longer works and no one seems to have bothered to mirror it along with the beup final release - judging from the info I have been able to find Beup was contributed to somewhere along the way by htheb in the way of FAT compatibility fixes.

If it was under some type of GPL wrather than public domain, the fact that HtheB has not so much as even mentioned the original author on his blog or in the compo (misrepresented the base work), or released the source mods, would not only be wrong but illegal. Using illegal means to receive profit by others work is considered fraud.

Without seeing the original source I have no way of knowing what kevinc's intentions were when releasing it, he only mentions "for all the recompilers out there" on the blog, which to me implies he released to stop having to do updates for xx flashcart that he didn't own.

The only point I really have to make is this: does anyone really want to bother to work hard to make quality entries to enter a compo where fraud or misrepresentation is essentially rewarded?
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Sektor on April 15, 2007, 10:58:05 AM
It says on HtheB's site (http://www.area-ds.com/htheb/Beup/Beup.html):

Credits:

HtheB
&
kevinC

In Beup it says (c)2007 HtheB & Antonio Zea

He has never said that it's entirely his own work.  I downloaded the original source long ago and it includes GPL v2 license.  That means anyone can legally sell the app but they do have to provide the source code and follow the other GPL terms.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: d4rkb1t on April 15, 2007, 05:05:11 PM
It says on HtheB's site (http://www.area-ds.com/htheb/Beup/Beup.html):

Credits:

HtheB
&
kevinC

In Beup it says (c)2007 HtheB & Antonio Zea

He has never said that it's entirely his own work.  I downloaded the original source long ago and it includes GPL v2 license.  That means anyone can legally sell the app but they do have to provide the source code and follow the other GPL terms.

+1

No more to comment...

For: Öhr GmbH

What do you think that you are for name to htheb "dumb" and "bastard"? Please, read the definition that I wrotte in the first post here in this topic, I think that I can apply perfectly to you.

By the way, I know that you put Sony and Nintendo as an example, and I continue it for one reason: who have been send more hardware in this years? Sony... but.... why? if they didn't do anything "only copies" the others? Because they KNOW how use this cool things and know whatever the people wants and give them it. This is the "filosophy" of sony... so.... extrapolating this HtheB didn't do nothing bad, they only modified Beup, converts it to Beup Live and give the people whatever they want whith the updates, and have presented to a competition that he has won and some people don't want to see that and they are for example insulting without reason this coder. Sincerely... im ashamed.

d4rkb1t
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Öhr GmbH on April 15, 2007, 05:38:28 PM
It says on HtheB's site (http://www.area-ds.com/htheb/Beup/Beup.html):

Credits:

HtheB
&
kevinC

In Beup it says (c)2007 HtheB & Antonio Zea

He has never said that it's entirely his own work.  I downloaded the original source long ago and it includes GPL v2 license.  That means anyone can legally sell the app but they do have to provide the source code and follow the other GPL terms.

+1

No more to comment...

For: Öhr GmbH

What do you think that you are for name to htheb "dumb" and "bastard"? Please, read the definition that I wrotte in the first post here in this topic, I think that I can apply perfectly to you.

By the way, I know that you put Sony and Nintendo as an example, and I continue it for one reason: who have been send more hardware in this years? Sony... but.... why? if they didn't do anything "only copies" the others? Because they KNOW how use this cool things and know whatever the people wants and give them it. This is the "filosophy" of sony... so.... extrapolating this HtheB didn't do nothing bad, they only modified Beup, converts it to Beup Live and give the people whatever they want whith the updates, and have presented to a competition that he has won and some people don't want to see that and they are for example insulting without reason this coder. Sincerely... im ashamed.

d4rkb1t
he is NOT a coder. i also call him whatever i want. he frustrated me by stealing someones work and make money out of it. hes soooo cheap. i really hate him for this.
and i guess, Antonio Zea did 99% of hthebs 3% work!
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: GizmoTheGreen on April 15, 2007, 08:10:38 PM
 ::sm-16.gif::

Why do this to HtheB!?!?!?!
im a friend of his, a distant friend, ive chatted with him on msn since last fall...
He has helped me alot, he even gave me a Neo2 SD as a gift, and i sent him my old DS phat, thats right, it was broke, and the parts fixed his, for like 10 mins...
but trust me, ha does have a DS, not that entirely his, he borrows from his friend :)

oh, btw, ive just gotten in to porgramming, im not the same level as HtheB or anyone else, it has taken me a month to make a friggin menu! using PAlib!

oh, yeah, to the point, ive been testing HtheB's new buep, trust me, its not just slapping another lib on there, thats couses hundreds of compile errors!!

hes spen weeks just fixing those, and then he sent to me for testing, as his friends DS was unavailable, guess waht? working? no no..
hanged at startup, he has, been bugsearching trough alot of code, that not originaly his, yeah i know, i also know that KevinC has handed over the work to continue development on Beup instead of him.

HtheB has been messing in KevinC original code alot, making small changes everywhere!

he knows it as well as his own pocket by now, i asked him the day before, if my translated STRINGS file would still work with his new ver, and i had forgotten where to put it, i swear it ttok him less than a minute to send me the code where the loading of the STRINGS file was, and it still works!

so my Swedish transation is still usefull :)

HtheB is my hero, and nothing can change it  :D


EDIT: not to mention he changed from an earlier rev of DevkitPro to the new r20...
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: lupidan on April 15, 2007, 10:55:09 PM
Quote
I smell a filthy lying thief.

HtheB has permission to use kevinC work
HtheB gives credit to kevinC (aka Antonio Zea) in both, website and beup live.

It really looks like you want to give him reputation of code stealer when he is NOT a thief.

By the same way, let's say you use libnds to create a wonderful game. You win a competition and get 250$. By the same reason you are using other people work (libnds), so you can't have the prize!!

Then you add a new dificulty level, another compo shows up. They have no restriction about entering a modified project that entered a few months ago, so what would you do?(be sincere)
I would enter my game again, and see if I could win another prize, you wouldn't?


Please, stop discrediting HtheB
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: jester on April 16, 2007, 12:28:17 AM
Well HtheB's Prize the Wii has not been sent and it has been difficult to contact KevinC so what should be done? Should the Wii be held till the summer compo and HtheB unable to reclaim it?
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Lick on April 16, 2007, 01:05:23 AM
Sektor: if Beup was licensed under GPL, that means that HtheB HAS TO release the code of his application. He did not; not even when I asked him to in order to compare with the original source,which I suspect will be 97% the same as KevinC's original version.
Also, please share the original source release by KevinC, thanks.

lupidan: I'm sorry but you don't know anything about licenses or programming principles: libnds is a library open for programmers and NOT an end-user application.
A better comparision would be someone releasing libnds_extreme which he claims to have written himself but is 97% the same as libnds.

Gizmo: in programming, those stuff HtheB did are really really trust me, worth nothing. Even if it's worth something, IT DOES NOT MAKE HIM THE DEVELOPER. He can't claim Beup as his own project.

d4rkb1t: it's not jealousy. It's justice. Programmers taken advantage of, that's what's dead wrong. It's not like I get any benefit from discrediting HtheB, the opposite, I get called a bitch and a whiner. But I don't mind those namecallings, as long as the truth is known.

Also, HtheB being friendly isn't enough to disprove our assumptions of his crime. He needs better proof than that. Source code would be a good start.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: GizmoTheGreen on April 16, 2007, 02:10:50 AM
@Lick: I think youre the one not getting it, im saying the source looks almost nothing as kevinC latest source of beup, becouse kevinC has discontinued it and passed the torch to HtheB wich further made it into Live!
if you would do a diff file for the entire project, it wouldnt be only a 3% change, more like 30, becouse of all the small changes EVERYWHERE, it not like 20 lines of change in one single file, but not one single file is UNTOUCHED, get my point?

Also kevinC knew HtheB was entering, and, with what he was entering, if he thought it was not okay, dont you think he wouldve stated it earlier?
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Lick on April 16, 2007, 02:42:42 AM
If the two things you claim are true, then I can shut the **** up.

But..
Quote
Why do this to HtheB!?!?!?!
im a friend of his, a distant friend, ive chatted with him on msn since last fall...
I have my doubts.

Please show me HtheB's source and let ME compare it with the original. I will also be able to tell whether the fixes are enough to enable HtheB to call Beup his own project. So in short: don't tell me, show me. (His code should be public anyway, see GPL.)

Also, from who did you hear kevinc knew HtheB was entering? Where did you read that information?
As far as I know, kevinc hasn't been active since last year.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Sweater Fish Deluxe on April 16, 2007, 03:48:08 AM
*sigh*

we can decide whether he deserves his prize or what his relationship to the BeUP project should be without resorting to personal attacks.
Apparently I was wrong.

Simmer down now, children.


...word is bondage...
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Lick on April 16, 2007, 04:00:36 AM
*sigh*

we can decide whether he deserves his prize or what his relationship to the BeUP project should be without resorting to personal attacks.
Apparently I was wrong.

Simmer down now, children.

Uhm? In my recent replies, I have responded very sophisticated in my opinion. I reduced namecalling and attacking as much as possible too. In fact, I don't see any, reading back.

I don't think your comment really adds to this discussion though. It's more like "We have no answer but let's stop the discussion", which I find a rather not-satisfying conclusion.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: lupidan on April 16, 2007, 04:28:13 AM
Calm down Lick, you are still saying HtheB is claiming he made the entire Beup Live when he does not, he gives credit kevinC in website and app.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Sweater Fish Deluxe on April 16, 2007, 04:43:30 AM
I wasn't referring just to you, Lick, but to everyone posting nonsense in this pointless topic you started.  You may have reduced the "attack" content in your own posts, but they're just as "personal" as ever and that's not called for, either, and the only point to them seems to be to inflame the discussion.

I already added my opinion to this discussion a long time ago in the final results announcement topic.  As did most other people who followed the competition.  I think the consensus was that it would not be a good idea to change the results at this point and that instead we should discuss how best to change the entry rules and/or scoring for the future contests to avoid situations like this again.

I don't think you or I or anyone else here really has anything of value to add to this discussion at this point.  kevinC is the only person who should still be heard from and it's obvious that no one in this topic speaks for him, so there's no justifiable point to this topic at all.


...word is bondage...
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Lick on April 16, 2007, 04:58:11 AM
Lupidan: the very fact that he entered Beup into a contest as his own says enough about his credit towards kevinc. By entering it into a contest he claims he's the main developer of it, while his work has only made him a maintainer.

Sweather Fish Deluxe: I agree with you that this discussion has rather turned into a repetitive blame-game. But as you said yourself, it has become clear (through this very topic) that kevinc's absense is barring any further development in this case.
There is another valid road to take though: comparing the sources. As Sektor said, the original is licensed GPL, so it's only natural that HtheB has to release his sources. When he does this, we'll be able to compare it with the original and conclude whether the entry should be disqualified or points should be taken away. More than half of the voters probably mistaken HtheB to be either the only or the main developer of Beup, which is something important to consider.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: kevinc on April 16, 2007, 06:46:54 AM
Hi, people. I'm the creator of the original beup.

This post pertains only the source code of the program. I am aware about HtheB giving technical support and troubleshooting advise, which may have influenced the votes. I'm not here to speak about that.

HtheB has given me the source of Beup Live, and I have reviewed the differences.

The changes amount to about 15 lines of code in 2 files, which are:
- A new option for auto-connect (about 5 lines)
- Modifications for the new FAT lib (about 10 lines)
Please notice beup has about 9800 lines. So I'm afraid I can't say beup live is a considerable difference code-wise.

If you ask my personal opinion, I didn't like the fact that beup was allowed in the competition again, and even worse, that the judges let it win. However, it's not my contest o_o

I'm sorry that I haven't paid attention to this topic (or have read the PMs, for which I apologize), I'll be back tomorrow to keep reading.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Neil on April 16, 2007, 12:34:43 PM
Wow, this is a disgrace and HtheB should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.  I hope the prize is taken from him and given to the person who actually did all the work. 

Good luck, kevinc.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Sektor on April 16, 2007, 02:07:54 PM
http://gtamp.com/DS/beup.tar.bz2 (original source code).  Getting it compiled and working with r20 would take some time and effort, especially if it's the first time you've done something like that.  Someone has to keep projects up to date and those efforts, although not as good as creating something from scratch, should still be appreciated.

If you don't want someone to be able to profit from your work, don't release something under a license that allows it.  Of course just because something is allowed by law, doesn't mean this competition has to allow it.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: kevinc on April 16, 2007, 03:43:07 PM
If you don't want someone to be able to profit from your work, don't release something under a license that allows it.  Of course just because something is allowed by law, doesn't mean this competition has to allow it.

I never said I didn't want people to profit from my work. The GPL allows it, and I chose the GPL intentionally. In other words: I don't like it, but you're allowed to.

Please don't bash HtheB for me. He did a good job supporting the program. While I disagree with the fact that he participated in the contest, I still think he has done a good job keeping beup alive. Please don't turn this into a flamewar.

As to whether he deserves the first prize, it's not up to me to decide. This is a community contest, let the community decide.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Sektor on April 16, 2007, 04:36:20 PM
Can you release the source to the current version?  Actually we should we give HtheB a chance to release it himself.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: jester on April 16, 2007, 04:53:20 PM
Well i think that HtheB should just be given the Wii but he shouldnt be allowed to enter this compo with any of his coding efforts or Beup again!

That is fair as it allows for more users to feel confident about entering and freedom!

If you fellow coders disagree with what was just said then a poll at GBAdev forums for the right for the Wii should be posted lasting 2 days as that would also be fair! :)
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: TheFish on April 16, 2007, 05:50:17 PM
I'm sorry that I haven't paid attention to this topic (or have read the PMs, for which I apologize), I'll be back tomorrow to keep reading.

KevinC - Beup is a great program, so all our thanks for it

Are you still planning 0.4 as mentioned in your blog last October, or would you be able to add a fix to the current version of 0.3 for the 'SSL Connection Failed' errors we are all getting since Microsoft changed something with the servers a couple of days ago?
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Öhr GmbH on April 16, 2007, 07:56:05 PM
the answer, finally :D

well, since kevinc is the main/real developer of beup, he should decide, if htheb should get the wii or not, or decide to a lower prize or something like this. though, im pretty sure what kevincs answer will be :)

also, this app should have been banned from the compo from the beginning on.

he still should be allowed to take part in the coming neo compos, but not with apps, continued by himself or something like this - only his very own apps, noone elses!

and also, if htheb gets the wii, the second winner should also have the right to get a wii.


thats what i think
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Sektor on April 16, 2007, 08:20:19 PM
There were only 7 entries in the PSP APP section.  That means there are technically 3 spare prizes.  Neoflash could distribute them or just save some money :)
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Öhr GmbH on April 16, 2007, 09:17:24 PM
There were only 7 entries in the PSP APP section.  That means there are technically 3 spare prizes.  Neoflash could distribute them or just save some money :)
na thats unfair to those who did psp apps ^-^
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: GizmoTheGreen on April 16, 2007, 09:59:03 PM
hmm, ok, seems i was somehow wrong about how much he changed, but still, the judges placed him 1st, result anounced, give hiom the Wii...

yes he should probably be unallowed to enter with "picked up" projects again, like beup, nut if he does his own app, i think its okay :)

if he gets the Wii, i will participate in a compo too \o/

dont know when though, porbably next year...

if he doesnt, i wont participate on neoflash compo ever...

sure, he maybe didnt deserve a Wii because of beup live, but he has done so much more, helping ppl out, i think he deserves one ^^
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Sektor on April 16, 2007, 10:50:33 PM
No HentaiDS!!! Oh no, great loss.  Seriously, no one cares if you enter or not.

na thats unfair to those who did psp apps ^-^

Why?
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Öhr GmbH on April 16, 2007, 10:52:46 PM
well, if it becomes a game like all those japanese love games, it might become interesting,
but a stri.... errr photoshow shouldnt be posted as a project  ::sm-29.gif::


EDIT:
No HentaiDS!!! Oh no, great loss.  Seriously, no one cares if you enter or not.

na thats unfair to those who did psp apps ^-^

Why?
think about it. youre taking part in a compo, believing that youll win something(you always win something, even at the last place, though), you did the last place but youre still happy to see that youre still getting something. if this would be also taken away, wouldnt you be angry? you did the whole work, trying to win something and then you get nothing else than a kick from neo?
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Lick on April 17, 2007, 12:04:19 AM
The case is closed. Just let Dr Neo decide what's going to happen now.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: Sektor on April 17, 2007, 12:45:38 AM
I never said to take away prizes from the PSP APP entrants, just that there were 10 prizes planned but only 7 entries, so that means there are 3 prizes (out of a total of 10 for that section) that Neoflash doesn't have to send.  I noticed there were some equal scores in the NDS Games section though, so they really gave away at least 11 prizes in that section.  They already give away more prizes than any other coding contest, so we are lucky with what we get, it was just an observation.  Originally 40 prizes total but since I think maybe 38 winners, neoflash gets to save some prizes for next contest or whatever they want to do.
Title: Re: HtheB should not win
Post by: julien416 on April 17, 2007, 04:20:24 AM
If he really just modified 15 lines of code, then there is no way in the world that he deserves the price. My 2 cents.

In the Olympics when you learn that someone "cheated" you take his medal away, that should be the same here. No merit, no prize. That's the end of it.

Let the case be settled in backstage.