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Title: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: Conle on September 02, 2008, 06:45:09 PM
Here you will find my reviews for NDS/GBA APP division.

In all my reviews you will find  BUG REPORT section , and my SUGGESTIONS on how
to improve your app.

Every application have been fully tested many times to make sure i haven't missed anything.



Scoring system scheme:

Quote
Pros & Cons           0..5
Interface             0..5
Usability             0..5
Graphics              0..5
Design                0..5
Motion support        0..1.5
Original entry        0..1.5
Bonus          0..2

MAX SCORE    : 30pts



Scoring system explained:

Quote

    Interface     : GUI and how responsive it is
(concept)Design        : How everything is designed to work and how well its combined with interface.
    Pros & cons   : self-explanatory
    Graphics      : self-explanatory
    Usability     : How useful it is
         Motion support: Supports motion controller?
    Original entry: An original entry?
    Bonus         : APPS/GAMES which are unique or have impressive features get a bonus score...




Are you ready to read my reviews? then lets go :)...

 


"UA Paint" by "bassacegold"
 (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,5249.0.html)


(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/BassAceGold/screenshot1.jpg)

Here we have (probably) one of the best paint programs for NDS.



 


Pros & Cons

+Nice design
+Nice interface
+Plenty of options to play with!
+Fill tool fills selected areas!
+Copy/paste selected areas!
 

-Circle tool seems to have a little bug...it somehow "shakes" the whole screen

4/5


Interface
Very nice & simple interface ... im amazed!

4/5


Usability
Its definetly quite useful , and works well!

3.5/5


Graphics
Very nice & detailed graphics!

3.5/5


Design
Project design is really high!

4/5


Motion support
No motion support
0/1.5


Original entry
Yes!  , an original entry!
1.5/1.5


Bonus
2/2

Bugs found:
-Circle tool "shakes" the whole screen!
Will this stay on my memory stick? : YES
What's missing to reach the top?: 
-Fix the bug with the circle tool


Summary
22.5/30


 


"SunOL[ALPHA VERSION]" by "SunDEV"
 (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,5316.0.html)


(http://sundev.olympe-network.com/SunOL/releases/search.png)

SunDEV says...
Quote
SunOL v0.2 alpha is an application to view the NDS release list.
 It allows you to view all informations about games and also boxarts and screenshots.
 This program can update himself and the database with the CWF.

My opinion:
A really cool homebrew to keep you updated with latest commercial game releases!



 


Pros & Cons

+High project design
+Nice interface
+Really cool auto-update system!!!
 



3/5


Interface
The interface is really cool , hands down!

4.5/5


Usability
Definetly its quite useful!

3/5


Graphics
Very nice & detailed graphics...

3.5/5


Design
Project design is really high!

4.5/5


Motion support
No motion support
0/1.5


Original entry
Yes!  , an original entry!
1.5/1.5


Bonus
2/2

Bugs found: None
Will this stay on my memory stick? : Yes
What's missing to reach the top?: 
Nothing to recommend at the moment.


Summary
22/30


 


"ApprenticeMinusDS" by "Lordus"
 (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,5314.0.html)


(http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4220/amdsho0.png)

Lordus says...
Quote
ApprenticeMinusDS is a Nintendo DS Gamegear and Sega MasterSystem emulator that uses hardware rendering.

This version has scaling support for Gamegear mode and a region selection option,
to enable playing of multi-region games in non-Japanese mode.
The hardware renderer was completely rewritten to support the scaling,
but there was not enough time to test it, and there are some known (and unknown bugs) that i introduced,
that will be fixed as soon as possible. Mostly it should be fine though.
See the readme for more info on known issues and how to get around them, if possible.

My opinion:
Apprentice Minus is pretty good SMS/GG emulator.
I had the chance to test 4 games(Sonic the hedgehog III,Strider,and Streets of rage II,Mortal Kombat III),
and they worked really well except MKIII which had a little slowdown.

Awesome work so far...



 


Pros & Cons

+Emulates most games perfectly at full speed!
+Sound emulation is also nice
+Easy to use menu
 

-Gui gfx could have been a little better(especially the logo "ApprenticeMinusDS")...

3.5/5


Interface
Simple & easy to use interface.
Could have been much better , though...

3/5


Usability
Really useful! , you can have some fun with old-school games anytime...

4.5/5


Graphics
Well , the emulated graphics are rendered just like the original.
GUI gfx from the other hand , could have been a little better.

4/5


Design
Project design isn't bad , but could have been better.

3/5


Motion support
No motion support
0/1.5


Original entry
Yes!  , an original entry!
1.5/1.5


Bonus
2/2

Bugs found: None
Will this stay on my memory stick? : Yes!
What's missing to reach the top?: 
-Maybe re-work gui gfx


Summary
21.5/30


 


"DSbible" by "Jeremysr"
 (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,5272.0.html)


(http://viewsourcecode.org/forum/text_viewer_fr.png)

Project title is self-explanatory :)...
A bible-reading application for NDS...what more should i say?



 


Pros & Cons

+High project design
+Cool interface
+Impressive GUI
 



3.5/5


Interface
Really good work on interface ...

4/5


Usability
Its quite useful , but not for daily use...

2.5/5


Graphics
Very nice graphics covering all gui-related states.

4/5


Design
Very high project design ...

4.5/5


Motion support
No motion support
0/1.5


Original entry
Yes!  , an original entry!
1.5/1.5


Bonus
1/2

Bugs found: None
Will this stay on my memory stick? : Yes
What's missing to reach the top?: 
Nothing to recommend at the moment


Summary
21/30


 


"PAINT BLACK DS" by "Cid2Mizard"
 (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,5286.0.html)


(http://gchack.free.fr/DS/homebrew/CID/PAINT/screen/editor%202.PNG)

Cid2Mizard says...
Quote
PAINT BLACK DS is an application for create drawings (only black an white),
you draw with 26 SHAPES classified in the order of 26 letters of the alphabet.
Once your drawings created and stored in the menu EDITOR,
you can enjoy the re-draw following the letters sorresponding to SHAPES,in the menu PLAY.

My opinion:
A really cool application , with plenty of options to play with!



 


Pros & Cons

+Nice design & interface
+Plenty of options/menus to play with...
+Responsive controls
 

-You can't save your drawings in image format...
-Sound effects are kinda funny (especially when you click on "Play button"...lol :) )


3/5


Interface
Very simple to use interface!.

3.5/5


Usability
Hmm... definetly not for daily use ... it has its moments...

2.5/5


Graphics
Graphics are very nice & clean...

3.5/5


Design
Project design is really high...there's so much detail...

4/5


Motion support
No motion support
0/1.5


Original entry
Yes!  , an original entry!
1.5/1.5


Bonus
1/2

Bugs found: None
Will this stay on my memory stick? : Yes
What's missing to reach the top?: 
-Replace the sounds effects ...
-Add option to save a drawing in image(jpeg/bmp/png...anything) format.


Summary
19/30


 


"sDepS" by "tobiasbp"
 (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,5285.0.html)


(http://sdeps.wordpress.com/files/2008/08/sdeps10.png)

tobiasbp says...
Quote
sDepS is a pedometer keeping track of your level of activity.
Steps are registered as walking or running, and the total time spent on each type of activity is shown as well as the Steps Per Minute.

My opinion:
Here we have a rather unique realease by "tobiasbp".
To be honest , before i actually try it , i was expecting something really bad , but it
turned out that i was totally wrong...


 


Pros & Cons

+Counts steps(Walking/running) really well
+Really unique
 

-I don't think that its actually useful.There are tiny-small devices that do exactly the same...


3/5


Interface
Very simple interface which isn't bad , but could have been much better.

2.5/5


Usability
I don't think that its really useful.
I mean...i don't plan to walk or run holding my DS...
There are tiny devices that do exactly the same...

1/5


Graphics
Graphics aren't perfect neither bad...

3.5/5


Design
Well , project design is low.
Its obvious that developer spent more time trying to
figure out how the core of the application will work...

It needs a better GUI well designed.

2/5


Motion support
Yes!,supports motion
1.5/1.5


Original entry
Yes!  , an original entry!
1.5/1.5


Bonus
2/2

Bugs found: None
Will this stay on my memory stick? : Yes
What's missing to reach the top?: 
-Mainly , better GUI


Summary
17/30


 


"Balik Bayan DevWifi" by "soulanger"
 (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,5307.0.html)


(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/7808/snapshotky7.png)

BBDW , is a small application that sends files over wifi directly in your cartidge.
It also executes automatically  .nds files.
 



 


Pros & Cons

+Very useful for developers
 

-Not supporting directories

1.5/5


Interface
Definetly not the best possible gui , but its fine for its porpuse.

2/5


Usability
Developers will find it really useful...

3.5/5


Graphics
Nice & "clean" graphics

3/5


Design
Project design is low...


2/5


Motion support
Yes , supports motion controller...

1.5/1.5


Original entry
Yes!  , an original entry!
1.5/1.5


Bonus
0/2

Bugs found: None
Will this stay on my memory stick? : If i ever program anything for DS i'll use it.
What's missing to reach the top?: 
Not much really , but if you wanna jump to the next level :
-better Gui
-File quee
-Directory support


Summary
15/30


 


"DSBrowser - Dual Slot" by "cornaljoe"
 (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,5310.0.html)


(http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/2469/08200810101ic0.jpg)

DSBrowser - DS is a simple file browser for NDS...
Lets see how it will go...



 


Pros & Cons

+Does exactly what is says...
 

-When renaming/creating a directory/file you can't go back...
-While in main menu , 1 click with the stylus isn't enough to select an option...

2/5


Interface
Simple interface , but not bad...

2.5/5


Usability
Personally i don't find it really useful...

2.5/5


Graphics
Not bad graphics , but could have been better & more detailed...

3/5


Design
Project design isn't high...

2.5/5


Motion support
No motion support
0/1.5


Original entry
Yes!  , an original entry!
1.5/1.5


Bonus
0/2

Bugs found: None
Will this stay on my memory stick? : No
What's missing to reach the top?: 
-Better graphics
-Better input system with more options


Summary
14/30


 


"graphDS" by "morganDS"
 (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,5278.0.html)


(http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1030/graphds2ze5ec8.jpg)

morganDS says...
Quote
graphDS is a graphing calculator application designed for the Nintendo DS.
-Evaluates mathematical expressions... including those with exponents, trig, and logarithmic functions
-Includes a CAS to simplify algebraic expressions, including foiling
-Graphs regular, inverse, parametric, and polar equations, as well as slope fields and Euler's method
-Catalog with many different functions
-Evaluates numerical derivatives and integrals, as well as Riemann sums

My opinion:
A quite useful little app , which works just as you should expecting.



 


Pros & Cons

+Gives accurate results & works just as you should expect
 

-Graphics could have been a little better...
-Needs a better gui...

2/5


Interface
Simple interface , which is enough for the porpuse...

2/5


Usability
Personally i find it really useful...

3.5/5


Graphics
Simple graphics , could have been alot better.

1.5/5


Design
Project design isn't high.
A (real) GUI would be more than welcome...

1.5/5


Motion support
No motion support
0/1.5


Original entry
Yes!  , an original entry!
1.5/1.5


Bonus
0.5/2

Bugs found: None
Will this stay on my memory stick? : Yes
What's missing to reach the top?: 
-Better gfx
-A (real) GUI


Summary
12.5/30


 


"MENUdo[DEMO]" by "soulanger"
 (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,5246.0.html)


(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7061/menudoub8.png)

soulanger says...
Quote
Best way to describe it is by looking at the video.
Basically it massively beautifies your Cart's gui, with an PS3 theme as a default gui.

My opinion:

Well , no , at the moment it doesn't beautifies the cart's gui.
It definetly needs more work , even the author states that its a DEMO application.



 


Pros & Cons

+It has potential of becoming a cool homebrew
+Nice menu design
 

-Background animation(waves -psp xmb like-) is glitchy , and it shouldn't be pre-animated anyway...
-Selecting any menu except "Games" , it shows a black screen , and then you have to go back.
-The game selection menu is bugged...it can even shutdown(!) my DS.


1.5/5


Interface
Nice interface , but the pre-animated glitchy background messes up everything.

2.5/5


Usability
At the moment its definetly not useful...

0/5


Graphics
Graphics are nice , but the graphical glitches are serious problem...

2/5


Design
Nice design , even with the current (huge)bug list...

2/5


Motion support
Yes , supports motion controller..

1.5/1.5


Original entry
Yes!  , an original entry!
1.5/1.5


Bonus
0/2

Bugs found:
-Glitchy pre-animated background
-Serious bugs with "Game" menu
-Nothing other works but "Game" menu
Will this stay on my memory stick? : No
What's missing to reach the top?: 
Well , this is a demo...
Mainly the bugs should be fixed , and then work on other menus.


Summary
11/30


 


"Micro" by "samel"
 (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,5267.0.html)


(http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3062/microdsix4.png)
 

~ ~ ~ ~ ~
WARNING!!!:Note that the white lines in the picture aren't visible when running
the application on real DS hardware!
I just had to take a screenshot somehow...
~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Here we have a very simple text editor application for DS...



 


Pros & Cons

+Simple and easy to use
+Feels like a dos application
 

-"Space bar" & "Back space" do nothing(!).
-Load function needs a file browser A.S.A.P

2.5/5


Interface
Well , there isn't actually "interface" as you might be expecting
You just have to press the coresponding button on the keyboard to execute a function.

1/5


Usability
Its quite useful...

2/5


Graphics
Hmm , except the keyboard(Which is very detailed btw) , there isn't anything else..

2/5


Design
Hmm , design definetly isn't high...

1.5/5


Motion support
No motion support
0/1.5


Original entry
Yes!  , an original entry!
1.5/1.5


Bonus
0/2

Bugs found: None
Will this stay on my memory stick? : Yes, for a while
What's missing to reach the top?: 
-Backspace & space bar aren't working...add support for these functions


Summary
10.5/30


 


"Project JDS" by "AshaiRey"
 (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,5354.0.html)


(http://members.home.nl/b.vanzoelen/jds_screen4.gif)

AshaiRey says...
Quote
Project JDS is a tool to help you memorize the different
Japanese 'alphabets' or hiragana and katakana.

My opinion:
Well , it does what it says , but you better don't expect to learn much from it.



 


Pros & Cons

+Nice animated drawings
+Voice-overs
 

-Gui needs more work...it looks messed up at the moment...

2/5


Interface
Interface isn't bad , but its kinda messed...

2.5/5


Usability
Honestly , not useful.
Don't expect to learn much...

1.5/5


Graphics
Simple graphics , but not bad...

2.5/5


Design
Well , like i said , its kinda messy...

2/5


Motion support
No motion support
0/1.5


Original entry
Yes!  , an original entry!
1.5/1.5


Bonus
0/2

Bugs found: None
Will this stay on my memory stick? : No
What's missing to reach the top?: 
-Better GUI
-Maybe a -super detailed- help menu.
The current help menu isn't enough...


Summary
10/30


 


"DSBash" by "leinad"
 (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,5255.0.html)


(http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5467/dsbashlu0.png)

DSBash is a simpe chat/quote archive browser.
It currently support 3 sites : bash.org(which is OFFLINE),gdb.us , and german-bash.org.



 


Pros & Cons

+Quite useful
 

-Interface needs more work!It looks very simple.
-Graphics need more work


1/5


Interface
Interface needs more work , it just looks very simple ...

1.5/5


Usability
Its quite useful...

2/5


Graphics
Graphics definetly need more work...

1/5


Design
Project design is very low...

1/5


Motion support
No motion support
0/1.5


Original entry
No , not an original entry!.
0/1.5


Bonus
0.5/2

Bugs found: None
Will this stay on my memory stick? : hmm...no
What's missing to reach the top?: 
-A responsive GUI
-Better design & gfx...


Summary
7/30


 


"Wintendos XP" by "darkyesus"
 (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,5315.0.html)


(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7374/winengvo9.png)

darkyesus says...
Quote
Simulation of Windows XP on nintendo DS.

.....

My opinion:
Well , ... windows XP simulator on DS? ...whatever.



 


Pros & Cons


 

-Very low-res graphics(!!!)
-Text editor is bugged! , even if you close it , the text is displayed on the screen!
-Not useful
-Keyboard isn't responsive!



0/5


Interface
Not bad interface , but , nothing special...

2/5


Usability
Not useful at all...

0/5


Graphics
I've never seen so low-res graphics!
They look like you print-screen'd , modified and saved in lowest-res available(!).
 
1/5


Design
Not bad design , but the bugs ..................

1.5/5


Motion support
No motion support
0/1.5


Original entry
Yes!  , an original entry!
1.5/1.5


Bonus
0/2

Bugs found:
-Most applications are bugged (especially text editor)
-You have to double-click in order to type using the keyboard...
Will this stay on my memory stick? : No
What's missing to reach the top?: 
Well ,to be honest, i find this project pointless , but if you're still interested
to work on it ...
-Fix the bugs
-Add sounds
-Simulate more programs
-...Replace all graphics...


Summary
6/30


 


"Neko DS" by "ThemePark"
 (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,5319.0.html)


(http://i37.tinypic.com/4iycmo.png)

ThemePark says...
Quote
Neko DS (Neko being the Japanese word for cat) is a port of an old PC application back from the 80's.
When run, you would have a cat on your screen who would chase your mouse cursor around,
scratch on the screen, take a nap and various other stuff.

My opinion:
Neko DS is a pretty basic "application" , without the features that define it.
Animations aren't smooth , and they're bugged(for example , the cat keep moving even if sleeping).

A really rushed project.


 


Pros & Cons

+The cat is cute
 

-Not useful
-Animations aren't smooth
-(BUG)Cat keep following the stylus even if sleeping
-Very rushed project

0.5/5


Interface
There is no interface...

0/5


Usability
Definetly not useful at the moment

0/5


Graphics
Very simple graphics with some glitchy animations
Needs more work...

1/5


Design
There's no design at all...

0/5


Motion support
No motion support
0/1.5


Original entry
Yes!  , an original entry!
1.5/1.5


Bonus
0/2

Bugs found:
-(BUG)Cat keep following the stylus even if sleeping
Will this stay on my memory stick? : No
What's missing to reach the top?: 
-Smoother animations
-Add animation states   (to fix the bug)
-A map & map interaction
-Stylus should be able to mark a path so you don't have to keep pressing stylus down.
-SOUND EFFECTS
-*GUI*


Summary
3/30




**RESULTS FOR NDS/GBA APP DIVISION**


Position | Entry title | Author | Score


1st  UA Paint                 bassacegold          22.5/30
2nd  SunOL[ALPHA VERSION]     SunDEV               22/30
3rd  ApprenticeMinusDS        Lordus               21.5/30
4th  DSbible                  Jeremysr             21/30
5th  PAINT BLACK DS           Cid2Mizard           19.5/30
6th  sDepS                    tobiasbp             17/30
7th  Balik Bayan DevWifi      soulanger            15/30
8th  DSBrowser - Dual Slot    cornaljoe            14/30
9th  graphDS                  morganDS             12.5/30
10th MENUdo[DEMO]             soulanger            11/30

11th Micro                    samel                10.5/30
12th Project JDS              AshaiRey             10/30
13th DSBash                   leinad               7/30
14th Wintendos XP             darkyesus            6/30
15th Neko DS                  ThemePark            3/30



Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews
Post by: Conle on September 05, 2008, 03:34:20 AM
 :) Im done!
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: leinad on September 05, 2008, 04:14:35 AM
@DSBash

Quote
-Interface needs more work!It looks very simple.
-Graphics need more work

The basic interface is meant to be simple and easy witout much colors (I've asked salz to do me a very very simple skin) and I've worked on a easy to use user skinning support for over 1 Week.
So users wanting more can set every picture, the position of every button, place of every text, color of every text and every key-binding how they want it......


edit: too much "simple"s
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: Conle on September 05, 2008, 04:25:04 AM
Quote
The basic interface is meant to be simple and easy witout much colors (I've asked salz to do me a very very simple skin) and I've worked on a easy to use user skinning support for over 1 Week.
So users wanting more can set every picture, the position of every button, place of every text, color of every text and every key-binding how they want it......

Then you could have had added themes...
I rate every single detail...that's how reviews meant to be...

Quote
edit: too much "simple"s

Quote
-Interface needs more work!It looks very simple.

Quote
Interface
Interface needs more work , it just looks very simple ...

1.5/5

Where do you see the word  "simple" many times?
Its the same section...
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: leinad on September 05, 2008, 04:37:19 AM
@"simple" there had been about 5 in my post xD

it was just a little critism ^^" the detail of high custimizable options youve seemed to overseen ;0

mhm at least just some suggestion for future reviews,

Quote
Interface
Graphics
Design

On apps speed, usability (MenuDo just as an example) , compability , how complicated/user friendly (see MenuDo), how much it make sense (example DSBash, if you have a WiFi spot near you there is a PC usualy too...)  , originality of the idea (@texteditor, how many of them are there actualy on the DS) , funfactor ( Paint Black, its mainly a funny app) etc.... should take a big part in the rating.

Sure, apps should have graphics, but I have the feeling youve cared too much on Graphic/Design/style
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: Conle on September 05, 2008, 04:56:50 AM


Quote
@"simple" there had been about 5 in my post xD

OOps , im sorry. :-\
At least we agree that it looks simple.

And thanks for the suggestions , i'll have them in mind. ~sm-37.gif~

Quote
I have the feeling youve cared too much on Graphic/Design/style

In a compo its important.
As you can see some people have done too much work on artistic part...

I'll give you a good example...

Imagine your application having windows-style GUI , with maybe tabs so you can read
more than one site.

Black background color , with white frames , easy to use interface, better positioning of the text...
Windows should be all black with white frames , and green text/caption.

Text should be green for easy reading...

That should be the default theme.Simple & "hackish"...

Now , imagine having custom theme editing tool ..... 8)

Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: BassAceGold on September 05, 2008, 06:21:17 AM
Wow good reviews I like how you actually could point out the nice finer details rather then looking for the bad stuff as a whole, after seeing my position in the other review I began to lose confidence in my app so I'm kind of shocked of having it rated so high O_o  But I guess the end user will always see how good a program really is compared to the coder who will be amazed just by a specific feature they managed to achieve on such a limited hardware.
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: ThemePark on September 05, 2008, 06:52:47 AM
Wee, I got in last place! :P

I want to address some of the remarks though. I did have to rush a bit to get it finished for the compo, but that just means I worked more consecutive hours to get it done. At that time I had tested it but not seen any bugs. I'm aware of the sleeping bug though and have tried to resolve it in my new update, but as that didn't do the trick, right now I'm having little time and little luck figuring out what's causing it.

Smoother animation is true, but since I use the delays from the original program, I figured it should look the same. There already are animation states though, I think the problem lies in the VBL counter, I've used though.

There won't be any map, sound effects or a gui, simply because that's not how it's supposed to be. It's a port of an existing program, not a newly invented program. I do have lots of features in mind for this though that will make it much better.

Marking a path with the Stylus is worth thinking about, but since you just have to move the mouse around in the original program, the only way I can do that is to have the Stylus touching the screen.

Anyway, I didn't enter this into the competition hoping to win, but just to get some comments and see if people liked this. Fortunately they do. :)

Oh, and if you want to see how the original looks, and you don't want to download it, you can go to http://www.webneko.net
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: soulanger on September 05, 2008, 11:03:44 AM
Nice, review.
Although, your review on some entry feels unsatisfying. Sorry if i would sound so annoying. :-X

Well you did say.
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Every application have been fully tested many times to make sure i haven't missed anything.
So heres my opinion.

Maybe its only, menuDo, though. Dont get me wrong Im not asking you to about changing your rating. I do actually like it if it reaches a lower score. (Original entry bonus is awesome for the next compo)

I just saw it a little confusing, you know what I mean?

-Background animation(waves -psp xmb like-) is glitchy , and it shouldn't be pre-animated anyway...

The background isnt pre-rendered, and, although incomplete I didnt actually felt that the wave is actually glitchy. Well, your the first one to say so actually.

-Selecting any menu except "Games" , it shows a black screen , and then you have to go back.
-Nothing other works but "Game" menu

Well, like I said in the thread. It goes back whenever it couldnt find the folder or .nds that you assigned in the ini. Games works because you the menu was assigned to look at the games folder (see: ini).

-The game selection menu is bugged...it can even shutdown(!) my DS.
-Serious bugs with "Game" menu

Maybe there is a game folder, but, again, in the thread I instructed the user to use subfolders. Seemed like you didnt download the custom covers, or followed the instruction.

Usability
At the moment its definetly not useful...
I'm not sure if you read the features in the thread, like skinning, loading nds homebrew, etc.

Graphics are nice , but the graphical glitches are serious problem...

Bugs found:
-Glitchy pre-animated background

Please ellaborate the glitches. I would love to know what glitches does were, and solve them.

Nice design , even with the current (huge)bug list...

Maybe, I missed something but I couldnt find some explained bugs on the review. :(

And there is a little problem about the Mechanics.  :-X
 (soulanger is now 80% annoying and sorry)

Pros & Cons   :  Min/Max rating : 0 .. 5
Interface   :  Min/Max rating : 0 .. 5
Graphics   :  Min/Max rating : 0 .. 5
Design      :  Min/Max rating : 0 .. 5
Bonus      :  Min/Max rating : 0 .. 5

Yeah, I know interface are essential for an application but having 3 category, is an overkill don't you think?

Pros & Cons also adds to the graphic factor. For example ApprenticeMinusDS got this at his Pros and Cons.

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Pros & Cons

+Emulates most games perfectly at full speed!
+Sound emulation is also nice
+Easy to use menu
 

-Gui gfx could have been a little better(especially the logo "ApprenticeMinusDS")...

3.5/5
Perfect emulation with full speed and nice sound emulation. Apprentice is perfect for what it's aiming. (emulation) Indeed, it should get a perfect. But it has cons of being too simple on Gui and graphics. So, it gets a 3.5. Also you didnt suggest on how he could improve the gui.

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and my SUGGESTIONS on how
to improve your app.

So, basically we get a 15 scores for the having a perfect graphics. +5 score for Usability. If you get both youll perfect the pros and cons. Another +5.
A bonus point that I don't actually quite get. +2

UApaint is certainly one of the best apps out there. I use it alot, but dont you think its too advantangeous for it with this mechanics?
UApaint an app for making graphics and pixels. Graphic programs needs a great interface for it to actually prove useful. Graphics is essential for this app. I'm not saying UApaint got a high scrore because of this mechanic, but even without a similar mechanic, it would still prove to be the best.

Sorry for being annoying and sucky. I apologize.  Dont take it too serious its only my opinion okay? ~sm-44.gif~

edit: I actually don't know what is being judged on design. Is it graphics design? Concept design?

edit2: Also any suggestions on what to add on  Balik Bayan DevWifi 's gui?
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: Conle on September 05, 2008, 03:22:49 PM
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Sorry if i would sound so annoying.

Don't worry , im not going to ignore your post..."im all ears".

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So, basically we get a 15 scores for the having a perfect graphics

No , you're totally wrong, you can only get MAX 5.

Design =  how everything is designed to work , and how well its combined with interface...in short : concept design.

Interface = GUI , and how responsive it is

Graphics = self explanatory...

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Also you didnt suggest on how he could improve the gui.

That's not my job , i just had to point it out.
Developer will find a way...

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Well, like I said in the thread. It goes back whenever it couldnt find the folder or .nds that you assigned in the ini. Games works because you the menu was assigned to look at the games folder (see: ini).

Well , you should have had made a more polished release or ...don't actually release it yet.
It can become a great homebrew , but right now it isn't useful.

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Please ellaborate the glitches. I would love to know what glitches does were, and solve them.

Im refering to the background which is very glitchy...

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The background isnt pre-rendered, and, although incomplete I didnt actually felt that the wave is actually glitchy. Well, your the first one to say so actually.

I didn't knew that , but that's how it looks...



edit:
Main post updated : added section "Scoring system explained". ~sm-45.gif~


Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: tobiasbp on September 06, 2008, 03:09:17 AM
Hi there Conle.

Thank you for your well balanced reviews. Much appreciated!

As the author of sDepS I have a few comments.

Very simple interface which isn't bad , but could have been much better.
A much better interface... How? I can see how you could have a much better interface if you had more features in the application, but at this very basic level of functionality I don't see how the interface could have been MUCH better? Please let me hear your suggestions.

Usability
I don't think that its really useful.
If you want to measure how many steps you walk each day or the time spent jogging etc. it is indeed VERY useful.

Usability
I mean...i don't plan to walk or run holding my DS...
You don't need to hold it. If you close it, the screens turn off to save battery but the app keeps running. You could then wear it in a pouch attached to a belt etc.

Usability
There are tiny devices that do exactly the same...
But now you don't have to buy one. Cool right! Besides, if the fact that a similar or better device is available on another platform than the DS makes the application useless, most homebrew would be useless. Like, if you want to listen to music, you should  go buy an iPod etc. So, the availability of similar products on other platforms is not  relevant to judging homebrew applications IMHO.

Thanks
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: Conle on September 06, 2008, 07:44:42 PM
Hi , and thanks!  :D
Good luck with your (unique)entry too! ~sm-42.gif~

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If you want to measure how many steps you walk each day or the time spent jogging etc.
it is indeed VERY useful.

I agree , but (at least , personaly) i don't find it useful to always have my DS in a pocket or whatever. O0O

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A much better interface... How? I can see how you could have a much better interface if you had more features in the application, but at this very basic level of functionality I don't see how the interface could have been MUCH better? Please let me hear your suggestions.

Hmm ...  i was thinking something similar with "My weight loss coach" :
See a video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waSa_5f2-Ao

Of course don't copy it exaclty , add your own style...

Now , that would be fun to use... ::sm-29.gif::

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So, the availability of similar products on other platforms is not  relevant to judging homebrew applications IMHO.
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Usability
There are tiny devices that do exactly the same...

Don't worry , this was just my personal opinion , didn't affect score at all... ::sm-17.gif::
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: tobiasbp on September 07, 2008, 12:39:50 AM
Hmm ...  i was thinking something similar with "My weight loss coach" :

It sounds like you would want more features. I agree, that the program would be more fun with coach-like features, but you wrote "a much better interface". That sounds to me like you want different buttons, colors, fonts etc in a GUI. Maybe a different wording on this subject in your reviews would have been better.

Thanks for your time with all of the apps in the contest. I hope you will be contributing again in the future. The input is much appreciated!
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: AshaiRey on September 07, 2008, 04:03:53 AM
Hi Conle,

While is respect your review and i won't discuss the rating you give for the various parts of the app i must disagree with some of your remarks.

It's about Project JDS

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Well , it does what it says , but you better don't expect to learn much from it.

You probaly don't know what it takes to learn Japanese. I might be wrong but then i don't understand your remark. I got several hunderd of messages telling me that this was the right tool for them to learn the basics. So there must be something worth using in it.

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Usability
Honestly , not useful.
Don't expect to learn much...
Hmmm, for what point of view you say 'not useful'?
Not useful for you or just in common?
Like a Bible app isn't useful for a atheïst. The app itself can be useful but not for this particulair person. That doesn't mean that the app is useless.
An addition to the learning. This app does the job to help you with memorizing the first 142 characters, their stroke order and how that sound. After that you still have to learn about 500 kanji's to read a newspaper and have a common impression what's in it. Een a marathon starts with the first step.


Anyway, as said. I respect the points you gave and i would like to express my gratitude for your time to make the review.

Thanks
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: tobiasbp on September 07, 2008, 04:26:32 AM
Hi there AshaiRey.

I agree with all your comments on the review. I (A speaker of japanese) know that flashcards ,like presented in you app, are a valuable aid in learning the japanese characters.

I'm thinking the reviewer expected to learn the japanese language by using you app not realizing that it teaches basic(Hiragana & katagana right?) japanese characters.
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: Conle on September 07, 2008, 05:10:37 AM
@AshaiRey:

Well...

I felt strange by the menu design , i just couldn't understand
how everything works.

I checked the short help menu , but wasn't enough to actually understand
how im supposed to learn.

The language is really complicated , and the GUI wasn't responsive , so i gave up(and usually , i just don't so easily...)!
I felt like i spent my time for nothing...

I think you should consider re-doing the GUI , and add a help menu which explains
everything detailed.

Your application isn't user-friendly , and if you take account that we're talking
about a language-learning app , then , im sorry , but its just isn't useful...

I appreciate your time and effort that you have put into the app & all the animations
but this is a contest and someone gotta win.

Don't take everything i say to heart , it could it be my personal opinion...or "reviewer's bitching".

I understand that with few words i (probably)destroyed someone's dreams , and i also
understand how much time you have put into the app , but since i decided to write "simple,short,honest,and easy-to-read"
reviews , i'll have to go like this until the end.

The difference between me , and all authors(and i mean ALL , even newbies) is that they have offered to the
community , while i haven't....

At least i hope , with my reviews , i have offered some help tracking down bugs, or helped somehow with my ideas.

That's what i have to say , thanks. :-\
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: AshaiRey on September 08, 2008, 04:08:19 PM
@Conle

Thanks Conle!
because English isn't my native language i was a bit afraid that my writing was like a 'flame' to you but it really wasn't.  I can fully understand your review and i am happy with your remarks. It will help me to improve the app in the future.

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Don't take everything i say to heart , it could it be my personal opinion...or "reviewer's bitching".
I know, that's why i like your review. Personal and honest.

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I understand that with few words i (probably)destroyed someone's dreams , and i also understand how much time you have put into the app.
Don't worry. I made this apps for myself. I needed a flashcard tool quickly to learn the basics. If it helps anyone else i am pleased too.

Some background about the GUI and the help.
I had to make a choice back then. Will i make the GUI better en the help system more advange or will i put all the sound file in. Both couldn't be done because they couldn't fit both in the rom. So i choose for the sounds. This was one of the first programs i made in C++ and for the NDS and ever since i learned a lot. Including better memory management and how to use external files.

PS, Don't feel sad because all these remarks you get. Your reviews are a great asset for every developer. You are the 'user in the field' that tests the things that we developers find soooooo obvious
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: Sepro on September 09, 2008, 01:09:23 AM
You are the 'user in the field' that tests the things that we developers find soooooo obvious

Actually the opposite is also quite true. Some users think certain features are trivial, but are in fact quite hard to implement.
In my case (DSCube) I've had a pretty hard time getting the controls to work (an additional bug(?) in the depth test made things (a lot!!) worse), after finding and tweaking a solution I ended up with controls imho better then the commercial game (Atama no Kaiten no Training: Rubik's Cube). Still some people struggle with it and blame the poor developper  :) Personally I don't mind, but I think it's obvious that some people will get frustrated by this quickly and try to 'defend' their application by 'attacking' the reviewer.


Either way Conle did a great job reviewing, maybe though but definitely fair and he gave a positive spin to negative remarks.
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: tobiasbp on September 09, 2008, 02:55:41 AM
Either way Conle did a great job reviewing, maybe though but definitely fair and he gave a positive spin to negative remarks.

I agree, I'm sure we all do!
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: Conle on September 10, 2008, 02:44:06 AM

Thanks guys , and sorry for replying sooooo late! ::sm-07.gif::

Im also glad that you could point out the most interesting part of my review! ::sm-12.gif::

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In my case (DSCube) I've had a pretty hard time getting the controls to work (an additional bug(?) in the depth test made things (a lot!!) worse),
after finding and tweaking a solution I ended up with controls imho better then the commercial game (Atama no Kaiten no Training: Rubik's Cube)

I was really impressed by how responsive were the controls ( IIRC i gave you positive rating just for this! ).
Your game had everything , i mean , everything that requires the core of such a game.
Only more graphics , and some background music is missing , and of course a background...
Also some particle effects when linking 3 or more cubes would be more than welcome...


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Don't worry. I made this apps for myself. I needed a flashcard tool quickly to learn the basics.

I hope in the next contest you will have ready an improved version , for all who're interested!...


PS: @ALL: And don't forget that Dr.Neo & his team will take the final decision.!

Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: Sepro on September 10, 2008, 03:21:44 AM

I was really impressed by how responsive were the controls ( IIRC i gave you positive rating just for this! ).
Your game had everything , i mean , everything that requires the core of such a game.
Only more graphics , and some background music is missing , and of course a background...
Also some particle effects when linking 3 or more cubes would be more than welcome...


Hmm, particle effects... that is a great idea, thx. Since they require mostly programming and not as much art. And I'm really a lousy artist :(

(the thing about the controls is just an example of a remark I got a few times eg. in the other review here and was a proper example to make my point. In your review you were indeed pleased by the controls)

I really wonder when the final results will be in.
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: tobiasbp on September 10, 2008, 03:33:01 AM
I really wonder when the final results will be in.

I'm sure they are to be announced on the 20th.
Title: Re: NDS/GBA APP Reviews(+top list)
Post by: Conle on September 10, 2008, 10:30:44 PM
No one  really knows... ::sm-11.gif:: ::sm-10.gif::