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Title: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Dr.neo on September 11, 2009, 11:17:28 PM
In the next NEO compo, will consider to remove the PSP division and add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles,like :
SEGA MK III
NES
PC-E
GENESIS
SNES
N64
......
and other old console not in this list, have APP and GAME 2 zones like before.

 what so you think?  ~sm-41.gif~
please tell us your idea  ::sm-22.gif::
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Conle on September 11, 2009, 11:26:13 PM
I think that the PSP division is getting really weak every year , with a few exceptions of course !.

The retro division idea is so great , that i might actually code something for the comp  ~sm-42.gif~ .

Maybe you should host PSP division contest once every year , and same with retro.
I think this will balance the quality of homebrew apps/games. ::sm-09.gif::
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Dr.neo on September 11, 2009, 11:34:22 PM
I think that the PSP division is getting really weak every year , with a few exceptions of course !.

The retro division idea is so great , that i might actually code something for the comp  ~sm-42.gif~ .

Maybe you should host PSP division contest once every year , and same with retro.
I think this will balance the quality of homebrew apps/games. ::sm-09.gif::

yes it make sense indeed :P
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Gefa on September 12, 2009, 12:45:22 AM
Do you want to remove the PSP division to add indeed a retro division? Sorry, I'm a PSP developer, for me this is a very bad idea...
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Conle on September 12, 2009, 12:51:56 AM
Another good solution might be to have a general PSP division for both apps and games , and one for Retro consoles.

So there will be 3 divisions , but the 2 of them will be 2 in 1 with 10 entries in the finals.

NDS app division
NDS game division
PSP general division
Retro general division

Another idea is to have the above system , but for PSP and RETRO , the first 4 or 5 winners can choose cash or maybe top prizes to balance it a bit.

If the retro division is successful then repeat it every year , if not , once a year.


...Just a couple more ideas since i don't see yet anyone suggesting some ~sm-34.gif~  and i feel
productive  O0O .  ::sm-11.gif::

Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: spinal on September 12, 2009, 01:36:16 AM
I think you should keep the psp part, and meybe allow retro as a test. I'm not sure there will be many retro entries, but also, I don't know anything about retro coding.
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Sektor on September 12, 2009, 02:31:22 AM
I'd love a retro comp to support the retro coders. I'm not sure if I can finish a project for a retro system but good luck to those who can.  One cool thing about retro games is the ability to play them on emulators and there are many retro emulators for most of the portable systems.

I'd like to see a Nintendo Wii section.  That seems popular to develop for these days and much easier than coding for the old systems.  It would surely get many entries.
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: leinad on September 12, 2009, 04:26:01 AM
When having a retro-section I dont think APPs would be good...
Applications on a console without mouse or so isn't that lucrative, just see the PSP: Apps section is getting emptier and emptier.

As a compromise I would take those sections for the next time:
- Retro-Console Games
- PSP Games
- NDS Games
- NDS Apps
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: wraggster on September 12, 2009, 09:50:37 AM
From my viewpoint i have to agree that the crazy days of PSP releases are over for now and i also have to agree that supporting retro consoles would be an awesome idea :)

i would have 3 contests

PSP Games and Apps - Prizes for Top 10
NDS/GBA Games and Apps - Prizes for top 15
Retro Games and Apps - Prizes for Top 10

in the retro section supporting the 32x would be great too, it would please a certain coder over at DCEmu.

The retro coding comp would be awesome in the fact that all the software could be used on your impending flash carts. (the snes and n64 excite me to the point where i cant hold on :))
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Light_AleX on September 12, 2009, 09:55:41 AM
I think you should keep the PSP APP and PSP GAME sections as it is.

After all, there is only 10 prizes possible.

You can make the DS sections 5 prizes each as well then you can make a new section called RETRO. That way, everything is the same as before and a new one comes out. ;)

Thanks!

-Light_AleX
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: M. Lucanius on September 12, 2009, 10:04:52 AM
Quote from: Light_AleX
You can make the DS sections 5 prizes each...

??? Ummm, the DS section had the best turnout. Why diminish it?
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Sektor on September 12, 2009, 10:20:05 AM
I think you should keep the PSP APP and PSP GAME sections as it is.

After all, there is only 10 prizes possible.


Actually right now there are 15 PSP prizes (10 for games and 5 for apps).
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: GEMISIS on September 12, 2009, 11:26:51 AM
why not do this:

Sony Console's App Section
Sony Console's Game Section
Nintendo Console's App Section
Nintendo Console's Game Section

That way, it includes retro consoles, plus all the new ones.  Just my thought  :D
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Art on September 12, 2009, 04:10:48 PM
I kinda like the above idea, going by console manufacturer,
but how can the judges have every console rigged to play homebrew.
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: soulanger on September 12, 2009, 10:00:12 PM
why not do this:

Sony Console's App Section
Sony Console's Game Section
Nintendo Console's App Section
Nintendo Console's Game Section

That way, it includes retro consoles, plus all the new ones.  Just my thought  :D
A little too hard to review. :( Especially with the graphics.  Its  too biased for Retro consoles.
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: GEMISIS on September 13, 2009, 05:51:23 AM
well, you could then do it based on handheld vs console, but would there be enough prizes for that?
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: sturmen on September 14, 2009, 02:05:04 AM
I think it's a good idea. PSP homebrew has been dying off, and some retro homebrew would be really cool. Especially since there are emulators for most of the consoles you listed, people can play the submissions on their computers, or in some cases their own game consoles! This way, more people can play the entries. On the other hand, not many people can play the entries on the system they were designed for...
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Conle on September 15, 2009, 11:48:33 AM
I'd love a retro comp to support the retro coders. I'm not sure if I can finish a project for a retro system but good luck to those who can.  One cool thing about retro games is the ability to play them on emulators and there are many retro emulators for most of the portable systems.

I'd like to see a Nintendo Wii section.  That seems popular to develop for these days and much easier than coding for the old systems.  It would surely get many entries.

The WII division sounds like a great idea.  ~sm-37.gif~
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: soulanger on September 15, 2009, 05:20:37 PM
@conle: remember the competition should profit neoflash. I dont think neo has wii products. ^^"
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Sektor on September 15, 2009, 06:46:13 PM
They have Wii Clips (http://www.ic2005.com/shop/home.php?cat=16) on the store but I don't know if that is a big product for them and you don't need to buy it to run Wii homebrew (all you need is an SD card and a software expoit).  It's up to Dr.neo, the Wii was the 1st prize in the 2007 competition (http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,4083.msg28182.html#msg28182), so I  think he has some interest in that console.

Of course with the retro carts, the retro consoles are the main interest.
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Dr.neo on September 20, 2009, 01:41:26 PM
hum... here is my some idea:

retro APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
PSP APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
Wii APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
NDS/GBA APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes

how about this suit?
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Conle on September 20, 2009, 04:48:33 PM
hum... here is my some idea:

retro APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
PSP APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
Wii APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
NDS/GBA APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes

how about this suit?

Cool! This will bring some fresh air in the comp and some new & cool people!  ~sm-42.gif~
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: x711Li on September 20, 2009, 10:15:52 PM
hum... here is my some idea:

retro APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
PSP APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
Wii APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
NDS/GBA APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes

how about this suit?

Wii?

That sounds perfect, I'll get started right now ^^
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: wraggster on September 21, 2009, 07:40:26 AM
Sounds good to me DrNeo

Maybe you could also include in the rules that the Neoflash Forums should be the only release point for entries whilst they enter the comp, that way more visitors and ensure that everyone knows the comp is alive ;)
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: leviadragon on October 03, 2009, 04:25:36 PM
i think that removing the psp division is a bad idea(i'm a psp developer  ~sm-44.gif~)

instead i think that a resize of all section and create new competition section is a very good idea!!


Quote
hum... here is my some idea:

retro APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
PSP APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
Wii APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
NDS/GBA APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes

how about this suit?

very interesting!
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Sektor on October 03, 2009, 04:47:26 PM
hum... here is my some idea:

retro APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
PSP APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
Wii APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
NDS/GBA APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes

how about this suit?

Sounds good.  Will the app and games be competing against each other in same catagory or will they have 5 prizes each?

If the Wii or Retro section don't get 10 entries, can the prizes be given distributed to other sections?  I hope they do get more than 10 entries each but you never know.
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Conle on October 04, 2009, 11:36:54 PM
Sounds good.  Will the app and games be competing against each other in same catagory or will they have 5 prizes each?

If the Wii or Retro section don't get 10 entries, can the prizes be given distributed to other sections?  I hope they do get more than 10 entries each but you never know.

Hmm wouldn't this double the top prizes? 2x top prizes / division + 2 new divisions is +50% extra costs ~sm-34.gif~ ,  ...but again , only Dr.Neo can answer that.
Title: Re: Want to add the RETRO divison for all retro video game consoles?
Post by: Kasumi on October 05, 2009, 12:24:14 AM
I think he means something more like this:

retro APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
PSP APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
Wii APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes
NDS/GBA APP+GAME >>> 10 prizes

Imagine if:

There are 4 Retro Entries. (So only 4 of the ten prize slots are used. 6 left)
There are 8 PSP Entries. (So only 8 of the ten prize slots are used. 2 left)
There are 13 Wii Entries. (So all ten of Wii's prize slots are used)
There are 15 NDS Entries (So all ten of DS' prize slots are used)

The eight prizes that WOULD have gone to PSP and Retro entries (but cannot because not enough people entered) could go to the categories that had entries in excess. (The extra Wii and NDS entries) It wouldn't cost Dr. Neo anything more than he already allocated for the contest. The only problem is that if there were more than 40 collective entries and one or more categories was not filled, each "leftover" prize from a category would have to go to an entry from a separate category which means a NDS game might have to be judged against a Wii game. Let's say there's an extra prize from retro, and there's an extra Wii game, and an extra DS game. Who gets it? Is it fair to give it to the Wii game because it uses Wii's power to do things the DS could never pull off? That's the only issue I see though, and at that point when there's two completely last place entries gunning for an extra prize, the loser shouldn't complain regardless since they got dead last in their own category anyway and should be happy they even got a second chance.