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Offline Dr.neo

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Re: poll about the "same" entry in the compo
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2007, 12:14:40 PM »
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and i add this : no permit reenter of the winners programs (1st) of last compo


sound good idea.
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Re: poll about the "same" entry in the compo
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2007, 08:54:10 PM »
Part of the reason why I believe judges cards should be required to judge any compo. Originality could be given much more weight than other things if that is the desired goal of the compo, so that re-entering the same program or entering a program that has been around publicly for quite some time would be considered ... not very original.

Honestly though, it should be totally disallowed to enter someone else's work in any compo. Misrepresentation simply is not right.
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Re: poll about the "same" entry in the compo
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2007, 07:21:25 AM »
Honestly though, it should be totally disallowed to enter someone else's work in any compo. Misrepresentation simply is not right.
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Re: poll about the "same" entry in the compo
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2007, 05:49:02 PM »
I think if ther a major changes, then yes, but just a couple of updates then no.

I did a complete remake or my original entry, and I don't think anyone minded.

previous version
http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3028.0;attach=1090
7 levels no sound poor controls terrible gfx 2 days work.

new version
http://www.freewebs.com/sensitiveds/screenshots/04.gif
nice(er)gfx, bgm, sfx, 160 levels, level builder, tilt function etc.


Perhaps a form to fill when submitting?

[ ] Original title
[ ] or Remake
[ ] Original Author
[ ] or Someone else's work modded to look like I did more than I did
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Re: poll about the "same" entry in the compo
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2007, 03:40:04 AM »

[ ] or Someone else's work modded to look like I did more than I did


Lol, BeUP  ::sm-05::

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Re: poll about the "same" entry in the compo
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2007, 06:48:52 PM »
This poll means nothing. People just have to change their nickname and their application name and we could believe it's an all new entry, while it's not.
The clear thing would be:
1) Don't take (so much) in account the people's vote. They can be and ARE cheated!
2) Open a special thread during the competition. Everybody who sees an unfair entry, like for example another app done by another coder which is strangely similar to BeUp (which is open source). Then if people can prove the entry has cheated, this would be taken in account by the judges which would HAVE to read that thread. They would give less points to these entries.

Also, I think the same application should be allowed again only if a LOT of things changed. We can always encourage coders to continue working on their projects, else they'll stop them once the compo is terminated, and they will never be improved, bugs will not be corrected, and so on. This is a bad idea.
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Re: poll about the "same" entry in the compo
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2007, 12:44:04 AM »
yes,Brunni just post a very good suggestion.

so my idea is:
[1] all origial entry will get +3 "original score " , but the second entry (same project from last sompo but have improved, and just one more time ) will don't get any "original score ";

[2] the public poll will get less judge power, like just half with the just past compo.

[3] we will open one poll to let user judge which entry is "original" entry.

[4] ask more judger (from last neo compo top 10 winner) and neo compo partner site to give out the judgment,so it'll be more professional and more fair.

any more good idea?
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Re: poll about the "same" entry in the compo
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2007, 08:28:14 AM »


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[3] we will open one poll to let user judge which entry is "original" entry.

I'm not sure if it's a good idea.. there will still be cheating... I -beleive- judges are intelligent enough to decide whether something is original or not ;).
Plus, there should be some well DEFINED criterias, for example :

Originality : ?/10 ; Points allowed to a game/app according to how different the game/app compared to other games. Points could be given for Stylus and Dual screen use..

etc.

Just so that everything is CLEAR AND LEGIT.

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Re: poll about the "same" entry in the compo
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2007, 07:30:17 PM »
I think we're on the right track here with the last few suggestions.

I think an important one for me is that winners of the last contest can't enter the same project (even if it's majorly updated).

Also encouraging original submissions is important too, i believe it's beneficial to the homebrew community. So i support the extra score for original projects.

Despite this, i hope developers will continue to perfect their old projects.

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Re: poll about the "same" entry in the compo
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2007, 10:53:00 PM »
revise #2:

[1] all origial entry will get +3 "original score " , but the second entry (same project from last sompo but have improved, and just one more time ) will don't get any "original score ";

[2] the public poll will get less judge power, like just half with the just past compo.

[3] ask more judger (from last neo compo top 10 winner) and neo compo partner site to give out the judgment,so it'll be more professional and more fair.

[4] the No.1 winner can't use their same project (even it's updata a lot) to enter the next compo.

anymore idea
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Re: poll about the "same" entry in the compo
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2007, 05:16:34 AM »
Hmm,... pretty good ideas.. but.. hmm... 3points ??? It should be 15 points !
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Re: poll about the "same" entry in the compo
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2007, 12:35:46 PM »
15 points is too much,even 1 point then can affect the ending a lot. ::sm-12.gif::
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Re: poll about the "same" entry in the compo
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2007, 04:01:57 PM »
i'd be happy with those terms.  ::sm-29.gif::

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Re: poll about the "same" entry in the compo
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2007, 12:00:19 AM »
I'm happy ::sm-18.gif::

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Re: poll about the "same" entry in the compo
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2007, 01:01:44 AM »
why should the public vote have less power? the public are the ones playing the games the most i feel!

Anyways do as you guys see fit